Canadian COVID-19 News

[sv_pelagia]

Cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
Current stats for BC & Canada and each province/territory:

https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/


Seems cases in decline most provinces/territories, but hospitalizations and deaths still increasing.

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Dieseldude: You should be aware that ‘Trolling’ is against the CruisersForum rules*.
I cannot believe that anyone could be so delusional, as to actually believe the absurdities you’ve been spouting.

* “Trolling and cyberstalking are NOT allowed and are grounds for account restriction or banishment. Trolling on this board includes posting controversial and often irrelevant or off-topic messages with the intention of (or anticipated result of) baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal, harmonious on-topic discussion, especially when a pattern of such posting is apparent."
➥ https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ork&page=rules

Not sure what you're talking about. This thread is about "Canadian COVID-19 News" and I have stuck to the subject. I'm confident that my facts are traceable to reliable sources. For some, I have given my source. But it is quite demanding to offer references for every single detail. I just do not have time to include all source material. If anyone disagrees, they are free to do so, but fair and intelligent disagreement requires verifiable sources.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I'm betting the DDude won't respond to that.

Still hasn't.

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

That article was about Delta, not Omicron.

Omicron is significantly more contagious, and significantly less virulent.

This statement, in particular, is untrue about Omicron: "The majority of vaccinated people won’t spread the virus if they are exposed." Vaccinated people do get it, and they do spread it. This isn't the theory, it's the reality. The vaccine was developed for a different variant, and while it does it's job, preventing hospitalization or serious illness, it doesn't prevent infection.

The easy mistake to fall into, of course, is pretending that the variants are the same, and being hyperbolic about Omicron. This is what the media and some politicians have done.

In a more rational, less emotional world, we'd be able to follow nuance, and the media could focus on the facts.

But this is not that world.

The silver lining is that because Omicron is more contagious and less virulent, most people (including the vaccinated) will eventually get it and develop some level of immunity.

We know that immunity fades fairly quickly, whether acquired by exposure or vaccine. The question I haven't seen the answer to, is whether some of that immunity is long-lasting. I don't relish the thought of having to get vaccinated every six months in perpetuity.

I think vaccines are great, and I'm vaccinated. But a good bit of the hyperbole (on any side of this issue) is politically and financially driven. Vaccines are a tool, but not the only one.

Great to see some rational thought on the matter LGS.Iit seems that a lot of folks have had their mind firmly afflicted by a one sided view in favor of restrictions, lock downs, masks, vaccines, etc. Seems like a form of intellectual laziness to believe the talking heads on TV without any critical thought.



For example, heres one that it seems everybody missed. Omicron was first identified in southern Africa. Which in and of itself is seems to be credible. But it rapidly spread around the world. Yet vaccinated people are the only ones allowed to travel. So the question arises, how did it it spread? It certainly was not by way of the non vaxxed. They are stranded at home. Obviously injected people became infected and transmitted it worldwide. Some weeks ago the media and government fear mongers were calling COVID "a pandemic of the unvaccinated". What happened to that expression after this massive transmission of omicron obviously by vaccinated people?



Such logical analysis requires little in depth technical knowledge and detailed statistics. It is deduced by basic observation. It shows the ultimate failure of the injections, and a tendency of people to fail to see things that should be obvious. Often, that which is in plain site is the hardest to comprehend. It seems that many are reliant on media to direct their thoughts. And media has largely failed at reporting a lot of important details.



"The American people don’t believe anything’s real until they see it on TV."


Of course this is applicable to more places than the US. And for now I'll leave it a challenge for someone to find out the source. I'm trying not to be political. Suppose people can cheat and paste the whole thing into a search.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Still hasn't.

Hey Lake, fair's fair, goose and gander, etc. etc. Maybe go troll the troll somewhere else?

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
Current stats for BC & Canada and each province/territory:
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https://bccdc.shinyapps.io/covid19_global_epi_app/


Seems cases in decline most provinces/territories, but hospitalizations and deaths still increasing.

Sad that people are dying, but unfortunately increased hospitalizations and deaths are just what would normally be expected in the midst of regular cold and flu season. It has been going on for centuries. The strain of pathogen may change, but the misfortune is nothing new.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Seems cases in decline most provinces/territories, but hospitalizations and deaths still increasing.

It's unfortunate that case counts have now become fairly meaningless since we've overwhelmed our testing capacities. But there are other indicators, like sewage testing and positivity rates which supports the view that we may have peaked and are now coming down. Hospitalizations, ICU admittance and deaths are lagging indicators, so I bet they will rise for a short while yet, but hopefully they too will start to decline soon.

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Hey Lake, fair's fair, goose and gander, etc. etc. Maybe go troll the troll somewhere else?

Defaming the opposition by name calling with such a term as "troll" is a desperate means to discredit opposition. Were you looking forward to a reply on some particular posting? Lets stick with the thread topic of "Canadian COVID-19 News", and refrain from tactics of personal insults.

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

It's unfortunate that case counts have now become fairly meaningless since we've overwhelmed our testing capacities. But there are other indicators, like sewage testing and positivity rates which supports the view that we may have peaked and are now coming down. Hospitalizations, ICU admittance and deaths are lagging indicators, so I bet they will rise for a short while yet, but hopefully they too will start to decline soon.

Case counts always were meaningless due to high false positives. Not sure if public health agencies have realized that, or if they are running low on test capability. The fact that omicron is mostly as harmless as the common cold, and transmits quite easily, may mean that the scaredemic is in decline. The resulting natural immunity should get this wound down. Hopefully you are right with your prognostication of a decline. According to some sources, naturally immune unvaxed have superior immunity to the vaxed. But observations of many vaxed being infected is not reassuring. Perhaps this will cause a demand for a fourth dose.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by Dieseldude

Sad that people are dying, but unfortunately increased hospitalizations and deaths are just what would normally be expected in the midst of regular cold and flu season. It has been going on for centuries. The strain of pathogen may change, but the misfortune is nothing new.

Here are some REAL data, rather than junk:

"In the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.

The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK.

The global figure for the covid-19 death rate is estimated at 279 per 100 000 population.

In the UK the Health Foundation has articulated the difference in impact between flu and covid in terms of life years. “In a bad flu year on average around 30 000 people in the UK die from flu and pneumonia, with a loss of around 250 000 life years. This is a sixth of the life years lost to covid-19,” it noted."
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2514

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by Dieseldude

Please do not feel badly. You are one of many millions who have been duped my media and government propaganda. Yes, with a 97% false positive rate, any random group of 100 people can rest positive with PCR. The actual number will rely on the number of threshold cycles used in the test. You need to do your own research on that, as an explanation can be lengthy. But the more cycles that the test is done with, the greater the chance of a false positive. In many states and provinces, the test has been taken as high as the high 30's and low 40's. The WHO had been recommending a maximum of 20. But even at 20, false positives are generated.


The WHO admitted months ago that the PCR test generates excessive false positives.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/18/...lse-positives/





Dr. Jared Bullard, head of the Cadham Provincial Laboratory in Winnipeg, testified in court on behalf of the Manitoba government. Bullard said PCR test results don’t verify infectiousness and were never intended to be used to diagnose respiratory illnesses. Bullard testified that the most accurate way to determine infectiousness is to try to grow a cell culture from a patient’s sample. He found that, for samples that tested positive at 18 Ct, only 44 percent would grow in a lab, suggesting that 56 percent were non-infectious. He was unable to develop any viable lab cultures for samples that tested positive at Ct values higher than 25, which implies that “positive” cases resulting from those tests were most likely non-infectious.

This kind of news is seldom reported by big media. Much of the problem lies not only in false news, but lies in the non reporting of true news.

Kary Mullis, inventer of PCR test: “With PCR, if you do it well, you can find anything in anybody.”


The test amplifies extremely minute quantities of molecules of genetic material. Amplify it enough, and harmless background material causes a false positive. The test does not distinguish between living viable material and old dead material that me be residual from an infection of long ago.

Deiseldude, you throw out these stats and numbers without citations and we have no way to read for ourselves to see where you (or the author) has distorted things but what we can find does not correlate to your claims.

It reminds me of Sydney Powell and Rudi Giuliani who carried around arm loads of books and told the world they contained such and so but when it came time to reveal them, it was all fluff and no content.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Deiseldude, you throw out these stats and numbers without citations and we have no way to read for ourselves to see where you (or the author) has distorted things but what we can find does not correlate to your claims.

The real issue is that this latest mis/disinformation purveyor is spreading the same old falsehoods that have been used by the anti-vaxx crowd from the get-go. It's all been debunked here probably thousands of times now, but like the virus itself, these folks keep mutating and keep coming back. It just gets exhausting.

It's also fascinating that these folks are mostly either new members, or accounts with very low post numbers. Why?

If this latest poster is honestly interested in learning about Covid-19, then all he has to do is search CF. Of course, the better answer is to go to any of the credible sources for information, like Health Canada, or any of the principal health agencies, or the WHO, or the CDC... But of course, those are all part of the conspiracy, so can't be trusted .

There's little point in engaging. All it will do is drag this thread (once more) into the pig stile, and force the mods to (once again) close it down. I suspect that is the real intent of this poster.

Just ignore him/her/it.

[Mike OReilly]

OK, here's a truly important story:

CTV: Condom sales limp during pandemic, world's biggest maker says

Despite lockdowns that forced millions to stay home, there was one product that took a dramatic hit during the COVID-19 pandemic, condoms.

According to the British Medical Journal, the company that makes one in five condoms globally, Karex Berhad, has seen sales drop by over 40 per cent over the past two years.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

OK, here's a truly important story:

CTV: Condom sales limp during pandemic, world's biggest maker says

Sadly, 'Covid Dick' Is Real

The podcast hosts... interviewed a pair of urologists who rightly noted that there’s a clear trail of evidence linking covid-19 to erectile or sexual dysfunction.

antivaxxer rushing to clinic ->

[Dieseldude]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Here are some REAL data, rather than junk:

"In the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.

The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK.

The global figure for the covid-19 death rate is estimated at 279 per 100 000 population.

In the UK the Health Foundation has articulated the difference in impact between flu and covid in terms of life years. “In a bad flu year on average around 30 000 people in the UK die from flu and pneumonia, with a loss of around 250 000 life years. This is a sixth of the life years lost to covid-19,” it noted."
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2514

"It’s confirmed: The pandemic is driven by the faulty PCR tests, just like Pfizer’s ex-Chief Science Officer, Dr. Michael Yeadon, told us months ago.
“Almost all” of the tests for Covid-19 are producing false positives, Dr. Yeadon warns.

Today we learn that 22 highly renowned scientists conclude that the PCR test produces 97% false positives. So out of all of the Covid patients we’ve ever seen, 97% never had Covid."


https://thenewabnormal513330780.word...lse-positives/


217.54 X .03 = 6.53

So a reasonable estimate for US infection rate is 6.53 per 100 000

279 X .03 = 8.37
So a reasonable estimate for worldwide infection rate is 8.73 per 100 000

These figures just do not justify the extreme and costly measures that we have seen. Probably not enough to be considered as a pandemic.