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[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Offenders should be registered with CBSA and banned from Canada for life.

This is getting ridiculous.

Maybe not banned for life, but you can be sure they are now in the system. likely they will have to do a lot of very painful paperwork if they ever want to come back to Canada.

[NaClyDog]

If Canadians get banned for life from entering the US for doing something perfectly legal here, they should be banned for life for breaking our laws.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

If Canadians get banned for life from entering the US for doing something perfectly legal here, they should be banned for life for breaking our laws.

If a Canadian gets thrown in a cockroach-infested cell for an ounce of pot in Turkey should we build a cockroach-infested cell and throw Turks in for said ounce?

I'd rather not sink to the lowest common denominator.

But as it stands I am pretty sure the Average American citizen won't be welcome back. The CBSA have long memories.

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

If a Canadian gets thrown in a cockroach-infested cell for an ounce of pot in Turkey should we build a cockroach-infested cell and throw Turks in for said ounce?

I'd rather not sink to the lowest common denominator.

But as it stands I am pretty sure the Average American citizen won't be welcome back. The CBSA have long memories.

Being banned from entering a country is hardly comparable to being thrown into a cockroach infested cell. Please.



If my friend can be banned from the US because he (foolishly?) admitted to smoking cannabis 30+ years ago while at uni when questioned last year by a CBA agent, I think a little reciprocity is only fair when they are breaking our actual laws.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

Being banned from entering a country is hardly comparable to being thrown into a cockroach infested cell. Please.

My point that eye for an eye is ridiculous as a policy. And policy that is purely retributive is just a silly. Just because the CBP is becoming increasingly like some sort of bizarre democratically-controlled SS doesn't mean we should sink to that level. Should we be setting up "border checks" 200 miles from the border too? That way lies anarchy, as is increasingly becoming apparent...

The CBSA is empowered to ban Americans (or anyone else) with due consideration. I am happy with that.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-v...ction-eng.html

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

My point that eye for an eye is ridiculous as a policy. And policy that is purely retributive is just a silly. Just because the CBP is becoming increasingly like some sort of bizarre democratically-controlled SS doesn't mean we should sink to that level. Should we be setting up "border checks" 200 miles from the border too? That way lies anarchy, as is increasingly becoming apparent...

3.5 years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you.


Today, I need to respectfully disagree.


You can't walk all over people, take advantage of them and expect them to respect you the next day. At some point, those kind people with any shred of self-respect will say enough. Run your kingdom any way you choose but you need to respect the laws of a foreign land - no matter how strong your sense of entitlement is.


We have reached the point of "enough". And then some.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

3.5 years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you.

Today, I need to respectfully disagree.

You can't walk all over people, take advantage of them and expect them to respect you the next day. At some point, those kind people with any shred of self-respect will say enough. Run your kingdom any way you choose but you need to respect the laws of a foreign land - no matter how strong your sense of entitlement is.

We have reached the point of "enough". And then some.

Personally I don't disagree.

But if you think a "policy" is going to make the aggregate American psyche "respect" anyone else's sovereignty you are lying to yourself (I know you have been seeing this again and again on the forum). If I was making Canadian international policy, I'd say f@ck 'em — we walk our own line, based on our own value system. Anything else is demeaning and ultimately pissing into the wind.

But I share your frustration and will likely take it out on the next poor American boater I am sharing a beer with in the Broughtons when this is all said and done.

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

If Canadians get banned for life from entering the US for doing something perfectly legal here, they should be banned for life for breaking our laws.

Well now you’re being silly thing of stuff that makes sense.

[TrentePieds]

There are nations in the world that seem to believe that generalized tit for tat is efficacious. We are not one of them! We have a fairly good record of dealing with miscreants on the basis of their specific transgressions and on the basis of how our laws may apply to such specific transgressions.

Let's keep it that way, Please :-)!

TrentePieds

[kmacdonald]

Are we talking politics now?

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Are we talking politics now?

Nope! No politics.


Simply deciding how to deal with the miscreants (criminals) who break Canadian law (specifically Covid-19 quarantine regulations) while having lied to enter the country our fine country.

[maijipo]

I guess is one of the problem. This Covid 19 crisis that should be a sanitary crisis became in someway a huge political crisis (at least here in the US).

For sailboats (or boats in general), instead of just stopping people to enter Canada (or the US) the authority could just put a very strict quarantine in the first port of entry. The nationality doesn't make the person more dangerous...

[nwdiver]

Originally Posted by maijipo

I guess is one of the problem. This Covid 19 crisis that should be a sanitary crisis became in someway a huge political crisis (at least here in the US).

For sailboats (or boats in general), instead of just stopping people to enter Canada (or the US) the authority could just put a very strict quarantine in the first port of entry. The nationality doesn't make the person more dangerous...

Said the US resident who cannot go to Europe even by plane......

[maijipo]

Originally Posted by nwdiver

Said the US resident who cannot go to Europe even by plane......

I think the difference is the volume...million of people travel by plane each day, I don't think number are comparable for boats.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by maijipo

I think the difference is the volume...million of people travel by plane each day, I don't think number are comparable for boats.

The problem being it actually is hard to make policy that is so specific. Arrive by boat? How big? Who monitors quarantine? Which ports? Easier to just keep the border closed.