Canadian COVID part-2

[N Coast Murray]

10 now

[Midnight Son]

13 Now

[glenn.225]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'm sorry Weavis. I know I should hold back, but I'm really getting annoyed at the posters who know nothing about the very real and very damaging situation here in the actual location where I am, yet still feel the need to share their uninformed opinions.

I'll go back to ignoring them now.

Mike, don't worry your doing well.



And as for my take on it, they(the so called Protesters) should have been locked up, trucks seized and the kids given over to child services.


I would make it mandatory to be vaccinated for any public service, including health care, restaurants, grocery stores, etc.


But the vaccine is not the main reason for this, they are just using it for an excuse. It's mostly a front for anti democratic actors.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

I often don't agree with what's written in The Rabble, but this one provides an interesting perspective on the police and mayor in Ottawa:

Trudeau’s emergency move creates panic for Ottawa’s police and mayor

https://rabble.ca/politics/trudeaus-...ice-and-mayor/

"...From the outset of the crisis Trudeau and his ministers told Canadians they believed local authorities had the tools necessary to deal with the situation.

They changed their minds, it seems, when it became clear the city of Ottawa and its police force had proven themselves unwilling or unable to do anything to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens.

It appears the federal government took note of the contrast between Ottawa’s response and that of Windsor, where, after seven days, police successfully ended the bridge blockade and restored Canada-U.S. cross-border traffic..."

Thanks. Sadly, it is a reasonable assessment of what is actually happening here in the Nation's Capital.

[Tetepare]

Democracy is two gnarly old salts and one young guy arguing about whether to buy a wooden hulled sailboat with their pooled cash.

Ask the Akwesasne Mohawk how US or Canadian national democracy is working for them. Sorry dudes, you don't have enough people to elect a politician, but Toronto, Albany (=NYC), Ottawa and Washington will look out for ya!

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

... It appears the federal government took note of the contrast between Ottawa’s response and that of Windsor, where, after seven days, police successfully ended the bridge blockade and restored Canada-U.S. cross-border traffic..."

Two very different situations:
To peacefully disperse a large, ill-tempered crowd, authorities/police need to vastly outnumber the protesters.
At Windsor's Ambassador Bridge, hundreds of police, dispersed about 35 protesters, and a few vehicles, in a suburban setting.
In Ottawa, there are thousands [± 10,000?] of insurgents, and hundreds of vehicles, including many large trucks, occupying the urban core.

[kmacdonald]

Since when did peaceful protesters become insurgents?

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Since when did [mostly*] peaceful protesters become insurgents?

Definitions of “insurgent”:

“one of a group of people, fighting against the government of their own country, or against authority”.
"one who rises in revolt" against a government or its laws, 1745, from Latin insurgentem (nominative insurgens), present participle of insurgere "rise up, lift oneself; rise against; stand high, gather force," from in- "against,"

FindLaw Legal Dictionary
1 : a person who rises in revolt against civil authority or an established government
;esp
: one not recognized as a belligerent
2 : one that acts contrary to the established leadership (as of a political party, union, or corporation) or its decisions and policies
adj : rising in opposition to civil or political authority or against an established government

Oxford:
fighting against the government or armed forces of their own country
Merriam-Webster:
a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
Cambridge:
someone who is fighting against the government in their own country

* "4 Alberta border protesters charged with conspiring to murder RCMP officers"
➥ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...bail-1.6352482

[Buster Brown]

Seems as if Alinsky’s Rules Radicals are alive and well on the forum today. Using the terms ‘insurgent” and “revolt” to describe this group of protesters is as ridiculous as calling what happened in the US Capital an insurrection. Your linked story describes bad actors that clearly need to be dealt with, but are not connected to the organizers and people that have been peacefully protesting.

[kmacdonald]

They were protesting, not fighting their gov. The difference is blatantly clear here.

[kmacdonald]

This thread should be closed and deleted. We

[MarinePig]

And that makes you part of the problem. The protesters are mostly not against the vaccine. It is the mandating it that we are all against. Your PM is the modern day Hitler.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Two very different situations:
To peacefully disperse a large, ill-tempered crowd, authorities/police need to vastly outnumber the protesters.
At Windsor's Ambassador Bridge, hundreds of police, dispersed about 35 protesters, and a few vehicles, in a suburban setting.
In Ottawa, there are thousands [± 10,000?] of insurgents, and hundreds of vehicles, including many large trucks, occupying the urban core.

Gord, the authorities and local media are reporting that the persistent numbers are more like 150-200 people here in Ottawa. The first weekend may have hit 10,000, but subsequent weekends only rose to ~5,000 at the most.

The problem largely seems to be the physical challenge of the trucks. They are large, tightly packed, and many have been purposely disabled to make them almost impossible to move. Any anyone who knows Ottawa can understand how little road space their is to operate. It is virtually impossible to move large towing equipment through the truck barricades. Oh, and top of all that there are children in many of these hard-core trucks.

All that said, a significant number of residents of Ottawa now believe they have been failed by their police force. This is reinforced when we look at other cities whose police forces seem much more capable. The chief has now succumbed to these pressures, and has quit.


ADD: I see we have a batch of new posters. Once again, it sure appears that CF is being used by external groups.

[weavis]

Last warning..... Please find another forum for political differences.

[Mike OReilly]

On more relevant news, national hospitalzations continue their downward slide. Most provinces are edging down, although I have to note that Newfoundland has bumped up a bit (although the numbers are small, so it doesn't take much to make a big difference).

Still, I'm feeling increasingly optimistic.

• https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/coronavirustracker/
• https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=rate&measure=total_last7&map=pt#a7