corona virus alerts - Latest cruising Information for vessels/locations/rules

[barnakiel]

22 European countries DO NOT recommend flying to Spain:


https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...ean-countries/


In a most interesting twist, UK recommends NOT to travel to Spain. But a UK company is hell bent on organizing ARC rally with 270 boats to starts from Canary Island.


Clearly, there is no coordination between the head and the hand at this stage of the global pandemics.



barnakiel

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

22 European countries DO NOT recommend flying to Spain:


https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...ean-countries/


In a most interesting twist, UK recommends NOT to travel to Spain. But a UK company is hell bent on organizing ARC rally with 270 boats to starts from Canary Island.


Clearly, there is no coordination between the head and the hand at this stage of the global pandemics.



barnakiel

A country is there to protect it's citizens. A business is there to make money for it's owner/shareholders.


It's really that simple.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

A country is there to protect it's citizens. A business is there to make money for it's owner/shareholders.


It's really that simple.

Yes, I too think this is so.


I think hypocrisy is when we preach one thing and do the opposite thing.


If only I understood these basic truths when I was 16 years old, an idealist at the satrt of his naive life.


b.

[Montanan]

The World Health Organization (WHO) has released a new interactive map that shows how bad coronavirus is in different areas of Europe.

The map shows COVID-19 statistics broken down by areas within different countries, making it possible to spot regions where case of the virus are increasing.

On Friday the map showed hotspots of the virus across Spain and France, with clusters clearly obvious around large cities including Paris, Madrid and Barcelona.

Reference link:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...f59949e9984a71

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Montanan

The World Health Organization (WHO) has released ...

With great respect, the WHO--in my opinion--has no credibility as a data source. We should not, I think, confuse the potential of the concept of a world health organization with the reality of WHO.

[barnakiel]

Thanks WHO !!!


We have had this kind of interactive maps from Guardian, Hopkins and also some from 17 y.o. coders doing something in their spare time! FOR MONTHS NOW.



Amazing swiftness of response. Truly breath-taking !!!


b.

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

22 European countries DO NOT recommend flying to Spain:


https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-n...ean-countries/


In a most interesting twist, UK recommends NOT to travel to Spain. But a UK company is hell bent on organizing ARC rally with 270 boats to starts from Canary Island.


Clearly, there is no coordination between the head and the hand at this ANY stage of the global pandemics.



barnakiel

there , fixed it for you

maybe they don't realise canary islands are spainish ?

cheers,

[atoll]

canary islands still listed as open to marine traffic on noonsite

https://www.noonsite.com/news/novel-...try-worldwide/

[Montanan]

US islands that emerged from the early months of the coronavirus pandemic relatively unscathed are now facing outbreaks.

In Puerto Rico, Gov. Wanda Vázquez Garced imposed travel restrictions after several officials contracted the virus.

In Hawaii, Gov. David Ige signed a strict stay-at-home order for the island of Oahu after the state's case count jumped from 1,688 cases to 7,260 cases and the death toll doubled.

With nearly no cases in the US Virgin Islands for the first few months of the pandemic, the number of infections is now approaching 1,000 and authorities have shut down tourism.

Coronavirus cases are also spiking in the US Virgin Islands and are now approaching nearly 1,000 cases despite reporting nearly zero in the first few months of the pandemic.

Cases surged to 224 per 100,000 in the territory, the highest per capita increase of infection in any state or territory, The Times reported. To address the surge, authorities in the US Virgin Islands restricted tourism activities for a month.

[Auspicious]

From the Washington Post (paywall, limited free access per month):

But the increase is widespread, and it is unsettling societies that had hoped the worst was behind them. Paris on Friday joined some other French jurisdictions in imposing a citywide mask requirement, with cases spiking. France, Germany, Spain and others posted caseloads in recent days that had not been seen since April and early May. Spain has been hit particularly hard, with per capita cases now worse than in the United States — a notable marker in Europe, which after the initial springtime spike had generally controlled the virus more successfully than America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c=nl_headlines

Takeaways for me:

Compliance with mandates for masks and social distancing is declining.

Masks and gloves should be at the top of provisioning lists for the indefinite future.

Border controls will be a moving target indefinitely. A border that is open when you leave on passage may be closed when you get there. Provision accordingly.

If you arrive somewhere and are turned away you may not be able to get back where you came from.

Provisioning attitudes should change. "Provision what you need with margin" should be overtaken by "provision with what fits."

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Cruising information is already starting to pick up things like curbside pickup availability, deliveries, and such. I expect without having checked that business is growing for yacht agents most of whom only served superyachts but are already established to deliver a wide range of items to docks. I've used them on time-constrained deliveries and there is a small premium. Great for distancing and limiting exposure.

[Montanan]

Extended Stays in foreign country - Covid 19 - Taxation due to residing in country.

For you cruisers that may have had your stay in a country extended due to Covid 19 travel restrictions, or otherwise e.g., by choice, do note that you may become subject to taxation by the country in which you stay. Factor such consideration, when you chose to extend your stay, or have to extend your stay. Say, for those hunkered down in New Zealand, or Fiji, etc.

By way of example:

The Spanish finance ministry has said that being trapped in the country during lockdown between March and June will not excuse foreign citizens from having to pay tax in Spain.

In response to a query by a Lebanese family who had spent longer than expected in Spain, the ministry ruled that no exceptions would be made to the rule under which spending 183 days of a year in the country automatically makes foreigners tax residents.

The Spanish government noted that when the lockdown ended on June 21, there were still 10 more days to go before a person who had started the year in Spain would reach the 183-day limit.

This strict interpretation stands in contrast with the UK government’s position, where an extended stay in the country due to a lockdown-enforced situation may be considered “exceptional circumstances”.

Anyone found to have spent more than half the year in Spain must pay tax on all of their income, no matter in what country it has been earned, as well as potential liability for property and inheritance levies.

Lawyers in Spain say that anyone who has unexpectedly spent more than six months in the country should keep documents to show efforts to leave earlier, such as tickets for cancelled flights, to help contest the resulting tax bill.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

From the Washington Post (paywall, limited free access per month):



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c=nl_headlines

Takeaways for me:

Compliance with mandates for masks and social distancing is declining.

Masks and gloves should be at the top of provisioning lists for the indefinite future.

Border controls will be a moving target indefinitely. A border that is open when you leave on passage may be closed when you get there. Provision accordingly.

If you arrive somewhere and are turned away you may not be able to get back where you came from.

Provisioning attitudes should change. "Provision what you need with margin" should be overtaken by "provision with what fits."

Excellent point. One does not have assurances during a pandemic that borders will be crossable, as to leaving, or entry, or reentry.

The prospects for example of the upcoming planned ARC first being able to gather for departure in the Canary Islands and then to be allowed entry in St. Lucia, or any another Caribbean country are Iffy. And if one becomes subject to travel restrictions it is All On You for making a decision to not Stay At Home / Stay Near Home. One may find it necessary to be floating their boat on international waters for extended period of time and not be permitted to enter territorial waters to anchor in safe harbor, or make innocent passage, or to reprovision, i.e., "no sail rules" have been applied and likely could be reapplied at short notice. In the alternative, one may need to voyage back to 1) their country of citizenship; 2) their country of permanent residency; 3) or the country of nationality of the vessel - its flagged nation, listed in order of likely legal precedence mind you as it is the people on board that are subject of quarantine, not so much the vessel itself. Added complexity arises when the persons on board are of mixed status of citizenship / permanent residency, and / or not of direct family unit relationship. As what may be permitted as to visa entry for one person may not apply to others on board.

Pandemics and Passage Making / International Travel / or even domestic travel do not square well together.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Montanan

make innocent passage

A problem is that recreational boaters often don't understand what that means. US snowbirds crossing to the Bahamas think they can anchor on the Bahamas Banks based on "innocent passage." Bah! When your anchor hits the bottom you have arrived.

Innocent passage is a major issue. Note US and other NATO warships making passage in the South China Sea. If you think that is not applicable to you (not you @Montanan, big "you") then you are sadly mistaken. Innocent passage means you don't stop and you don't cross boundaries between headlands.

[Montanan]

Auspicious, in Montaña, the pronoun of reference would likely be Yous Guys, or sometimes spelled, Youse Guys, especially if one was from Butte, which BTW is not pronounced Butt eh, but rather pronounced similar as in "She is a Beaut" when remarking about a boat, or a person.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by atoll

canary islands still listed as open to marine traffic on noonsite

https://www.noonsite.com/news/novel-...try-worldwide/

Some islands here are clean or near so. E.g. el Hierro, la Palmas.


But the ARC starts from Las Palmas and Las Palmas is a major local COVID-19 hub in this wave of the pandemics.


It was the exact opposite in the spring - Las Palmas was virtually clean - but back then it was all locked down ...


There is no sense nor pattern to how lock-downs and quarantines are deployed - being confined when there are few cases, but being considered OK when there are thousands?


barnakiel