corona virus alerts - Latest cruising Information for vessels/locations/rules

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by chrisr

a question ; is anybody aware of ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in the world, dying of corvin19 who was not already in a high risk group ie with impaired immune system, co-morbidity, chronic illnesses etc etc

i believe the answer is NO, however will be happy to be corrected

cheers,

Are you male? That puts you in a 50% higher death risk group by covid19.

[Sojourner]

Regarding Greece, ports are officially shut to anyone coming from anywhere for a month starting today...

[ol1970]

Originally Posted by chrisr

a question ; is anybody aware of ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in the world, dying of corvin19 who was not already in a high risk group ie with impaired immune system, co-morbidity, chronic illnesses etc etc

i believe the answer is NO, however will be happy to be corrected

cheers,

Yes, there are absolutely cases. One of my surfing buddies is an ER doctor here in the states and he sent out an urgent plea for all of us to take the extremely seriously. He is seeing people with no pre-existing conditions in their 30/40/50's start to flood into his hospital at an alarming rate. Only 3 deaths here so far, but 2 weeks ago there were zero cases. Even if the chance of dying in 1-10,000 if you get it, would you get on an airplane if the odds were the same of it crashing?

Here is a sobering factual article about how it has affected 1 family with no pre-existing conditions:

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/...continues.html

[DeepFrz]

Originally Posted by chrisr

a question ; is anybody aware of ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in the world, dying of corvin19 who was not already in a high risk group ie with impaired immune system, co-morbidity, chronic illnesses etc etc

i believe the answer is NO, however will be happy to be corrected

cheers,

Doctors in Italy are reporting that many younger people have severe lung scarring. So even if not many younger people are dying (although as has been noted some have) there are going to be ongoing problems for many others.

As noted above this is a very serious disease so please take it seriously.

[s/v Jedi]

For young people with lung scarring etc. I would be suspicious of drug abuse and/or vaping. I read they vape all kinds of chemicals and drugs. Some have died without any additional lung infection.

[Woodland Hills]

Originally Posted by chrisr

a question ; is anybody aware of ANYBODY, ANYWHERE in the world, dying of corvin19 who was not already in a high risk group ie with impaired immune system, co-morbidity, chronic illnesses etc etc

i believe the answer is NO, however will be happy to be corrected

cheers,

Yes. The most famous case was Dr. Li Wenliang in China that first exposed the existence of this then new virus and was imprisoned by the the Chinese government for a short while. He was young and healthy with no pre-existing conditions, yet he fell ill and died.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by delmarrey

Can you supply a link for this information?
I’m in the Philippines and don’t see this in any of the news.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regi...vellers-lifted

[Montanan]

Older Americans are still at greater risk of death from the new COVID-19 coronavirus, but 38 percent of the U.S. patients known to have been hospitalized for COVID-19 were between age 20 and 54, and nearly half of those admitted to the intensive care unit were adults under 65, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Wednesday. The report looked at 508 of the first 2,449 coronavirus patients in the U.S. The high rate of hospitalization for younger adults matches the statistics reported from France and Italy.

The report showed that adults of all ages are at risk of getting sick from the coronavirus — of the 2,449 patients examined, 6 percent were 85 and older, 25 percent were 65 to 84, 29 percent were 20 to 44, and 5 percent were 19 and younger, the CDC said. People 20 to 44 — the millennial generation — accounted for 20 percent of those hospitalized and 12 percent of ICU patients.

"I think everyone should be paying attention to this," Columbia University epidemiologist Stephen S. Morse tells The New York Times. "It's not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they're young and healthy." And it's not just the health of younger people that has experts worried, adds Dr. Christopher Carlsten, the head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. "If that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection," putting older and sicker people at risk.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-ha...063434940.html

[Singularity]

FWIW:
Last year Gord started a thread about a guy named Dr. Ioannidis who published a paper in 2005 entitled "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False." The paper set of a firestorm in academia, and otherwise the thread was closed. Ioannidis' insight has already saved many lives and lots of dollars...

Ioannidis published the linked ~newspaper article 2 days ago about Covid. Summarizing much, his logic demonstrates the need, if survival is more important, to allow potentially "upsetting" and "political" dialog between people to occur. This stuff deals with lots of variables and it takes dialog to help people understand complicated stuff.

To not allow ~fresh dialog to occur...reminds me of the old Soviet joke about instructions on what to do during a nuclear attack:
"Walk quietly to the nearest cemetery and lie down" the man said.
"Why walk quietly?" the people asked.
"So you don't create a panic" the man said.

A fiasco in the making?
"Yet if the health system does become overwhelmed, the majority of the extra deaths may not be due to coronavirus but to other common diseases and conditions such as heart attacks, strokes, trauma, bleeding, and the like that are not adequately treated. If the level of the epidemic does overwhelm the health system and extreme measures have only modest effectiveness, then flattening the curve may make things worse: Instead of being overwhelmed during a short, acute phase, the health system will remain overwhelmed for a more protracted period."
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Singularity

Ioannidis published the linked ~newspaper article 2 days ago about Covid.

A fiasco in the making?https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

I challenge some of his assumptions:

• that it was ever acceptable or advisable to let this infection peak without taking action
  
• that this level of lockdown is necessarily going to be long-term.

We will get the data we need, despite the poor initial efforts from some countries, and we can relax or end any of the measures pretty quickly. We're also buying time for vaccine development and testing, as well as for the testing and production ramp-up of the few antiviral drugs that have so far shown promise in reducing severity and accelerating recovery.

The people of Italy wish they'd applied drastic measures a lot sooner.

[Montanan]

Australia declares emergency, warns coronavirus crisis could last six months

March 17, 2020, 11:52 PM MDT
By Swati Pandey and Colin Packham

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison on Wednesday declared a "human biosecurity emergency" and said the country's citizens should abandon all overseas travel because of the coronavirus epidemic that he warned could last at least six months.

The formal declaration gives the government the power to close off cities or regions, impose curfews and order people to quarantine, if deemed necessary to contain the spread of the virus.

The upgrade in official advice to an unprecedented "Level 4: Do not travel" to any country in the world, was accompanied by a ban on any non-essential indoor gatherings of more than 100 people.

"Life is changing in Australia, as it is changing all around the world," Morrison said during a televised news conference. "Life is going to continue to change, as we deal with the global coronavirus. This is a once in a hundred year type event."

[Montanan]

Trudeau: Canada-U.S. border to close to nonessential travel on Friday night

Trudeau and President Donald Trump both announced they were working on a mutual agreement to close the border to tourism and recreational travel.


OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the Canada-U.S. border will likely close to nonessential travel on Friday night to limit the spread of the coronavirus.

Speaking to reporters from his home in Ottawa this morning, Trudeau said the two governments “are continuing to work on the fine-tuning of the agreement between Canada and the United States,” but said it’s close to being finalized.

Trudeau and President Donald Trump both announced Wednesday morning they were working on a mutual agreement to close the border to tourism and recreational travel. The border will stay open to trade, and Trudeau assured Canadians on Wednesday that deliveries of food, fuel and medicine would continue. Still, there remain unanswered questions about what else will be considered essential cross-border travel.


The Canada-U.S. agreement will take effect less than 72 hours after Canada closed its borders to most international travelers, other than U.S. citizens. That measure came into effect on Wednesday at noon. Ottawa also says anyone trying to get on a plane to Canada who shows symptoms of the coronavirus will not be allowed to board.

On Wednesday, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said all returning snowbirds — Canadians who overwinter in the U.S. — will be able to return to Canada. Canadian citizens who show up at a land border with coronavirus symptoms will be allowed into the country, but will be placed in quarantine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-137433

[Montanan]

President of Columbia, Duque orders to close all land and sea borders
The measure takes effect from this Tuesday and will last until May 30.

The president pointed out that "Colombia's borders will be closed from this March 17, 2020 until May 30 This border closure will restrict the entry and exit of the country of all national and foreign citizens. During the Border closures will allow the transportation of cargo for the entry and exit of products through authorized land points. "

[belizesailor]

Gunayala (San Blas, Panama region) is now, with the banning of coastal traders (see below), officially locked down by air, sea, and land. Tough call by the Congreso as the coastal traders, the last category of foreign vessels until recently permitted into the San Blas, bring basic supplies into the San Blas for trade.

These closures are an inconvenience for cruisers, but a serious hardship for the Kuna Indians.


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Foreign vessels that are currently in Kunayala can stay but anyone leaving and any other vessels of any kind cannot enter.* The road into Kunayala is closed as are the airstrips.

Congreso General Kuna
Latest Release:
March 19, 2020

Kunayala is totally locked down. Starting tomorrow, coastal cruisers bringing in basic products are temporarily suspended.
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Translated:
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The Executive Board of the General Congress of Gunayala, closely following the situation generated by the presence of coronavirus (COVID19) in the country, especially, paying more attention to our Gunayala than with its limitations and needs, has decided to take extreme measures. Starting tomorrow, March 20, the entry of coastal vessels, which come from the area of the Province of Colón, which until now have been authorized to provide basic products to our communities, is temporarily suspended.*

It reiterates the validity of the measures previously established for cargo vehicles entering the Llano de Gardi road, passenger and air, as well as limiting other points that allow the entry of people who are outside the communities. In order to contribute to the control of the advance of coronavirus.*

In this sense, we want to call upon all the local authorities of our communities who are in their duty and commitment to enforce all these measures for the good of our population. The Executive Board, for its part, will do what corresponds to it in this situation. Remember, that the first measure starts with each one of us following the recommendations that are being issued by the authorities of the Ministry of Health.*

The Executive Board will be aware of the progress of the situation, especially of our Region, which with its limitations and needs, is taking the measures to prevent us from being affected with the favor of our Creators Bana and Nana. Finally, call our population to heed these calls, comply with the measures for the health of all. ***

Thursday, March 19, 2020

https://www.gunayala.org.pa/comunica...lGzwvIhtELBZho

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[Montanan]

Columbia closes all entry to country.

March 19, 2020, 11:49 am
President Iván Duque announced this Thursday morning new measures to manage the coronavirus crisis. Among the decisions, the president indicated that from next Monday, March 23, at 0 am, the entry of foreign passengers , including Colombians, will be prohibited .

The president said that this is done with a view to making as much verification as possible that people who have entered in the last few days are complying with their mandatory preventive isolation.

"Here we must also start with the ethical behavior of citizens.
This is a call for solidarity. We can take all the most drastic measures, but the collaboration of the citizen is needed ," he said.

And he added: "I have defended that Colombians can arrive at the country but I also believe that in the event of failures in controls in other countries, we have to give a clear message that is what I have just raised."

He explained that the idea was that all Colombians who came from abroad underwent temporary isolation and that is why the entry of the nationals is being allowed.

However, he said that what has been seen is that the vast majority of people have understood the message of submitting to preventive isolation "We see cases of people who are not complying, we cannot have all the institutionality persecuting Colombians who should have such behavior. That is why this measure, which is tough, is taken for a period of 30 days initially. "He said that what is sought is that on the one hand the drastic serves in pedagogy and on the other that the institutional capacities of Migration with the Ministry of Health can monitor that people are complying with their mandatory preventive isolation.