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[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by smbdyiam2

as a older person I remember the ice man coming to deliver ice for ice machines before refrigerators. also the milk man to deliver milk in reusable bottles. question becomes why not now?
Milk man means more jobs. milk gets delivered so less running to market for milk. More sales. deliver bread and eggs too (maybe TP). not full service grocery just essentials. helps economy at least for milk company. one truck on road instead of many cars. Helps shut ins . win win win. helps environment. reusable bottles less waste less plastic. This may go on for a year or more now. The delivery may go on lots longer I know we would use it. We just don't want to pay for the large costs for each delivery. More efficient with less energy. comments?

In some places milk delivery service is still available from a local dairy producer. And the idea of grocery delivery is becoming somewhat more normal in general, so that concept very well might make a return.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by smbdyiam2

as a older person I remember the ... the milk man to deliver milk in reusable bottles ...

My milk man actually had a horse drawn wagon.

Originally Posted by rslifkin

... And the idea of grocery delivery is becoming somewhat more normal in general, so that concept very well might make a return.

We're hoping to get a grocery delivery, in the next few days. Placed our order this AM.

[dwedeking2]

even before this went down I'd pay a premium not to go near a grocery store. Those people are crazy. Unfortunately, Instacart won't let you put in “mooring ball N31” as a delivery address.

[DeepFrz]

My Step Father delivered milk for many years and I often helped him on the weekends. All houses were built with storage boxes that they could access from outside the house.

I have some news, non good but still news.

It appears that this virus may have 2 ways of entering the system. There have been reports of people becoming re-infected after so called recovery. Now some research has shown that it may infect the body in much the same way as HIV-AIDS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wbb0FN6sM

[Montanan]

Meet 'the safest person on the planet' during the coronavirus crisis: A man who has been sailing solo for months
Erin Donnelly
Yahoo LifestyleApril 13, 2020,

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bert...221939930.html

Since late October, a 62-year-old Canadian named Bert terHart has been sailing solo around the globe, on a mission to become the first North American to complete a nonstop circumnavigation, via the five Great Capes, without the aid of electronic navigational devices. He’s faced extreme weather, dwindling supplies and unexpected repairs that have extended his trip from six to nine months — and yet, he’s been dubbed “the safest person on the planet.”

Why? Because he’s traveling alone — and hasn’t seen another person since January, in Port Stanley in the Falklands, and before that on Nov. 6 in San Francisco — and floating far from civilization, the British Columbia resident presumably has no risk of contracting or transmitting the coronavirus disease, news of which emerged months into his journey.

Story continues at link above.

[Montanan]

Seven Northeastern U.S. states and three on the West Coast formed regional pacts on Monday aimed at coordinating a gradual reopening of their economies without a resurgence of coronavirus infections just as the outbreak appeared to be starting to wane.

New York, by far the hardest hit state, will work closely with nearby New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island to devise strategies for jointly easing stay-at-home orders imposed last month to curb coronavirus transmissions, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said.

Massachusetts later announced it was joining the East Coast coalition.

"Nobody has been here before, nobody has all the answers," Cuomo said during an open conference call with five counterparts. "Addressing public health and the economy: Which one is first? They're both first."

Separately, the governors of California, Oregon and Washington announced a similar agreement to devise a shared approach for lifting social-distancing measures, saying they "need to see a decline in the rate of spread of the virus before large-scale reopening" can take place.

The 10 state leaders, all Democrats except for Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker, gave no timeline for ending social lockdowns that have collectively idled the vast majority of more than 100 million residents in their states.

But they stressed that decisions about when and how to reopen non-essential businesses, along with schools and universities, will put the health of residents first and rely on science rather than politics.

U.S. President Donald Trump, a Republican who before the pandemic had touted a vibrant U.S. economy as the centerpiece of his re-election bid, has pressed repeatedly in recent weeks for getting Americans back to work soon. Ahead of the governors' announcement on Monday, he declared that any decision on restarting U.S. commerce was his to make.

Tensions between governors and Trump have bubbled up since the public health crisis worsened a month ago, and have re-emerged in the debate over economic imperatives versus public health priorities.

Legal experts say the president has limited power under the U.S. Constitution to order citizens back to their places of employment, or to require cities to reopen government buildings and transportation, or to order local businesses to reopen.

"It is the decision of the president, and for many good reasons," Trump wrote on Twitter on Monday, adding that his administration was working closely with the governors.
"A decision by me, in conjunction with the governors and input from others, will be made shortly!" Trump's tweet said.

Political leaders said a reopening of the economy may hinge on more widespread testing and cautioned that lifting of stay-at-home orders prematurely could reignite the outbreak. The Trump administration has signaled May 1 as a potential date for easing the restrictions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-coronav...132912267.html

[Montanan]

Microsoft (MSFT) founder and billionaire Bill Gates wants life to get back like it was before the global coronavirus outbreak.

The only way to truly do that is with a vaccine — and that will take time.

"People like myself and [Dr. Anthony] Fauci are saying eighteen months,” Gates told BBC Breakfast. “If everything went perfectly, we could do slightly better than that. But there will be a trade-off: We’ll have less safety testing than we typically would have... we just don't have the time to do what we normally do.”

The urgency to develop a COVID-19 vaccine is necessary, Gates stressed.

“If you want to wait and see if a side effect shows up two years later, that takes two years,” he said. “So when you’re acting quickly... this is a public good, so those trade-offs will be necessary.”

“The ultimate solution, the only thing that really lets us go back completely to normal and feel good about sitting in a stadium with lots of other people, is to create a vaccine,” Gates said last week. “And not just take care of country, but take that vaccine out to the global population so that we have vast immunity and this thing, no matter what, isn’t going to spread in large numbers.”

The timing — and eventual emergence — of a coronavirus vaccine is being closely watched and considered as an early indicator of the end of the outbreak.

“We’re looking around the world. As they relax the economic controls, the virus flares back up again,” Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis President Neel Kashkari said on CBS’s Face the Nation. “We could have these waves of flareups, controls, flareups and controls until we actually get a therapy or a vaccine. I think we should all be focusing on an 18-month strategy for our health care system and our economy.”

Melinda Gates shed some light on the processes involved in that 18-month vaccine timeline.

“From everything we know from working with our partners for many, many years on vaccines, you have to test the compounds ... go into preclinical trials, then full-scale trials,” Melinda Gates explained in a separate interview with Business Insider. “And even though I'm sure the FDA will fast-track some of these vaccine trials like they did with Ebola, still by the time you get it through the trials safety- and efficacy-wise, then you have to manufacture the vaccine and manufacture at scale.”

‘There was very, very little preparation’
U.S. President Donald Trump has called the coronavirus a “horrible, invisible enemy” and declared that the country is “at war and we’re fighting an invisible enemy.”

But Gates noted that the severe lack of preparation for such a “war” — despite the vast implications — was a serious mistake by governments around the world.

“Unlike the defense budget that prepares us for wars where we simulate the problem when we make sure we're good at it, this risk — which I viewed as even greater than the risk of war — there was very, very little preparation, very few of these germ games,” said Gates, who famously warned about a pandemic in 2015.

In a “germ game,” researchers would “say: ‘Okay how do you build up the ICU capacity? Can you make ventilators? How do you prioritize the diagnostics?’” Gates explained. “That we're just figuring out.”

In any case, once a vaccine becomes available and various public health responses are carried out, the world will better prepare for the next pandemic.

“People just didn’t organize their governments to have that function,” Gates said. “I do think now, because this has been so dramatic, ... we will be ready for the next pandemic. And using the new tools of science, that's very, very doable.”
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/b...165057497.html

[zeehag]

the billgates vaccine chip deal isnot population friendly. remember he has the fail vaccines that damaged many folks in african nations, aint going there. i respect my body . i do well with antiviral meds. no reason to force onto populace a vaccine only good for one mutation of a virus when a good antiviral will keep this issue at bay without mutation specific issue.
at present i take antiviral meds when i need to go out and about--as well as mask and hand sanitizer which i generally prefer not to use. washing hands does so much better--but cannot always get soap and water.

[GordMay]

I’ll let this enlightening editorial article (& video) speak, for itself, except to quote:
“... What is most impressive in the hospitals is not the ventilators, CT scanners or other high-tech wizardry. It’s the compassion and courage of health workers, and the intervention that struck me the most was decidedly low-tech — the hand-holding ...”

Life and Death in the ‘Hot Zone’
If people saw this, they would stay home.” What the war against the coronavirus looks like inside two Bronx hospitals.
➥ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/o...=pocket-newtab

Video ➥ https://nyti.ms/2JW7PnZ

[TigerPaws]

Dozens of Americans stranded in Tonga appeal for help to get out

https://www.foxnews.com/world/corona...lone-decimates

Countries all over the world have closed down and many will not reopen for the foreseeable future.

[Montanan]

Correct Craft, the parent of multiple boat and engine brands, including the high-end Nautique line of towboats, has reassigned production team members to Covid-19 work in its Orlando, Fla., and Modesto, Calif., facilities. The boatbuilder is making medical-grade face masks and plastic face shields for regional hospitals and other facilities.

“We’ve temporarily suspended boat production and are using some of those resources to do Covid-19 work,” Correct Craft CEO Bill Yeargin, told Robb Report. “Our Correct Craft team is happy to help our health care community during this global pandemic.”

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by TigerPaws

Dozens of Americans stranded in Tonga appeal for help to get out

https://www.foxnews.com/world/corona...lone-decimates

Countries all over the world have closed down and many will not reopen for the foreseeable future.

Those traveller like thousands of others failed to take notice of early travel advisories stating to limit travel for essential purposes and to be prepared to have to stay in a foreign country indefinitely. The State Department provide guidance recommending Americans to repatriate or be prepared to stay as residents indefinitely.

Tonga implemented their first of a string of tightening travel restriction notices, "On Monday, February 3, Tongan officials announced that in efforts to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak, all travelers will need to complete a health declaration card on arrival into Tongan territory, travelers coming from or having transited through mainland China will need a 14 day self-quarantine in a country free from novel coronavirus, and all foreign travelers will need medical clearance within three days before traveling to the Kingdom. The government declared the entry measures effective from Monday but has not stated how long the measures will be in effect." Advice: Potentially impacted individuals are advised to monitor the situation, confirm travel itineraries and consider rebooking options, if needed, and adhere to all instructions issued by local authorities and their home governments.

[TigerPaws]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Those traveller like thousands of others failed to take notice of early travel advisories stating to limit travel for essential purposes and to be prepared to have to stay in a foreign country indefinitely. The State Department provide guidance recommending Americans to repatriate or be prepared to stay as residents indefinitely.

Tonga implemented their first of a string of tightening travel restriction notices, "On Monday, February 3, Tongan officials announced that in efforts to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak, all travelers will need to complete a health declaration card on arrival into Tongan territory, travelers coming from or having transited through mainland China will need a 14 day self-quarantine in a country free from novel coronavirus, and all foreign travelers will need medical clearance within three days before traveling to the Kingdom. The government declared the entry measures effective from Monday but has not stated how long the measures will be in effect." Advice: Potentially impacted individuals are advised to monitor the situation, confirm travel itineraries and consider rebooking options, if needed, and adhere to all instructions issued by local authorities and their home governments.

The point is not that these people and others are stuck someplace they do not want to be but that even after this event somewhat passes there will be sever restrictions on where people will be able to travel.

This will seriously impact sailing in general for many years to come, marinas will close, countries will impose restrictions on incoming tourists and transiting vessels. There will be very limited services, boatyards will go bankrupt.

Our yachting world has just become very different and restricted. Here in Tobago things are fairly calm, but there are only a handful of boats and all of us have been here for over a month, no new boats have arrived in the past 3 weeks.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by TigerPaws

... Our yachting world has just become very different and [somewhat more] restricted ...

Edit.

[dwedeking2]

I think we are too close to the event to make a guess about long term ramifications. The yachting world is a minute portion of the travel world. In the short term (less than 6 months) there is and will be huge changes to how we cruise. The further out we get those dramatic changes, things are going to mellow out. The large cruise ships are much more a danger to an island or society than a couple of yachties, but due to their economic benefits they're still going to be going to those islands.



I believe when we look back at the statistics the overall deaths for 2020 will have a change of less than 5% over 2019.