Covid?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Soviet/China... sheesh.

Wait... I'm confused . I thought those who understand the science and statistics, and accept the need for basic public health measures, were Hitlerlite fascists. Now we're Stalinist communists?!? How did that happen.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Wait... I'm confused . I thought those who understand the science and statistics, and accept the need for basic public health measures, were Hitlerlite fascists. Now we're Stalinist communists?!? How did that happen.

It's simple, Mike. Fascism, communism, socialism...all the same to the know-nothings.


Science, public health and democracy are the others they don't get.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Let's make it simple for you:


The same people who are lying about Covid (it's a hoax, it's only the flu...) are also lying about Jan. 6 (no big deal).


See the pattern?

Good point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

CF is great, been reading it for many years. Tons of new stuff I learn every day reading it.

Except when it come to the risks of COVID...

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

it's all justified by yet another coronavirus with a fatality rate of well under 1%, mainly in the very old and/or already very unhealthy folks.

So your point is: 'they're going to die anyway, why should we protect them from COVID'?

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

I've been yelled at by a cashier in a store for not standing on the marked "social-distancing" spot, even though I was standing 20 feet away with a mask on. She felt she could tell me, her customer, exactly where to stand. Full vaccination (and soon, endless booster shots) are a "condition of employment" at my job. So yeah, it's here alright.

That's your example of the "creeping imposition of a Soviet-like totalitarian regime"? ROFL

Did you ever ask yourself: If there have been over 800,000 (US) deaths from COVID in two years, with minor restrictions, how may would there have been without any restrictions? Or, is it all good cause 'most of the people were going to die anyway?

My sister's a nurse in a major metropolitan area of the US. For the last two years she has been busting her a**, working double shifts, working without days off, no vacation. All because a certain percentage of the population are too stupid to follow common sense public health guidelines to protect themselves, and others.

I live in a small metro area about 70 miles from her. Our hospitals have been full for the last three weeks. A pedestrian hit and critically injured by a car last week had to be flown to another hospital; ours didn't have room for him.

COVID is real. And the reason we're still having to deal with it is because of the gullible weak-minded who think it's another government conspiracy to curtail their freedoms. The good news? COVID is actually weeding those people out and when enough of them are gone, we will be over this. (Darwin was right!)

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

Does anyone have recent in-person experience with Covid policies regarding cruising boats in the French Caribbean islands, St. Lucia, St. Vincent/Grenadines?

You might hear from someone on CF but if not, the most up to date information I've found on the net is at https://www.noonsite.com/

Look up the individual islands or countries on noonsite and there will usually be a link directly to that country's web site and latest policies on Covid.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by garyfdl

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Did you ever ask yourself: If there have been over 800,000 (US) deaths from COVID in two years, with minor restrictions, how may would there have been without any restrictions? Or, is it all good cause 'most of the people were going to die anyway?

My sister's a nurse in a major metropolitan area of the US. For the last two years she has been busting her a**, working double shifts, working without days off, no vacation. All because a certain percentage of the population are too stupid to follow common sense public health guidelines to protect themselves, and others.

I live in a small metro area about 70 miles from her. Our hospitals have been full for the last three weeks. A pedestrian hit and critically injured by a car last week had to be flown to another hospital because ours didn't have room for him.

COVID is real. And the reason we're still having to deal with it is because of the gullible weak-minded who think it's another government conspiracy to curtail their freedoms. The good news? COVID is actually weeding those people out and when enough of them are gone, we will be over this. (Darwin was right!)

thx!

[jeanathon]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Good point.

Actually no point was made. Just a change of subject.

Originally Posted by garyfdl

My sister's a nurse in a major metropolitan area of the US. For the last two years she has been busting her a**, working double shifts, working without days off, no vacation. All because a certain percentage of the population are too stupid to follow common sense public health guidelines to protect themselves, and others.


Hmmm sounds like what nurses have been putting up with for years before covid. ie. bad management of hospitals in search of an extra dollar. I've always thought it crazy that docs and nurses are forced to work 20 hour days when it's been shown how useless you are at simple tasks when completely exhausted and sleep deprived.





COVID is real. And the reason we're still having to deal with it is because of the gullible weak-minded who think it's another government conspiracy to curtail their freedoms. The good news? COVID is actually weeding those people out and when enough of them are gone, we will be over this. (Darwin was right!)

Shouldn't all those antivaxxers be dead by now?

France with it's 90% vaccination rate just had 100,000 positive cases in 1 day. Is that anectdotal proof the vaccine does not work or just a "duh sh^t don't work"? But at least at this rate in 60 days everyone in France will have had it and get the coveted herd immunity.

[Chotu]

Is this just a political thread, or is it a little bit about what’s happening with Covid? It’s back. New variant. Vaccines aren’t working too well against it. And everybody’s got it all of a sudden. It’s exploding in the north east and Florida is starting to takeoff also. Not cool. I don’t know if anybody else is tired of it. I sure am.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Is this just a political thread, or is it a little bit about what’s happening with Covid? It’s back. New variant. Vaccines aren’t working too well against it. And everybody’s got it all of a sudden. It’s exploding in the north east and Florida is starting to takeoff also. Not cool. I don’t know if anybody else is tired of it. I sure am.

Certainly I am as well. Pandemic fatigue.

However I can't complain too much when I see what family and friends in the health care world have to deal with. Makes my problems seem minor in comparison.

[Free2Sail]

Originally Posted by TrentePieds

Free2sail said: "So now, BC gub'mint is forbidding you... For now, you are still allowed to have guests from a single household in your own home, though no more than 10 and all vaxxed."

Seems to me that the enforcement provisions for our Public Health Orders are right in line with the enforcement provisions for, say, the BC Highways Safety Code - you know the code that in the interests of public safety forbids the running of red lights, driving a guided missile without a valid driver's licence as evidence of competence to do so, driving on the left-hand side of the road, British or not, etc, etc, etc,

TrentePieds (Triple-jabbed, no less!)

OK, so you're saying the BC gov does impose all these Covid restrictions, but since they are commonly disregarded and poorly enforced, you're all free to do as you like?

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Certainly I am as well. Pandemic fatigue.

However I can't complain too much when I see what family and friends in the health care world have to deal with. Makes my problems seem minor in comparison.

I sure agree with that. I am sick of it in a way that includes them. I’m sick of it for me, sick of it for healthcare workers and sick of it for society and the world. . I do have some family in healthcare and I think of a forum member who helped me a great deal in the past who will undoubtedly get slammed again with work.

Probably the only silver lining to this surge is that it is spreading so fast, it’ll be over faster than the other ones. I often compare it to a wildfire. The faster it burns the sooner it’s done. It looks like this one’s a quick one.

[sv_pelagia]

Vaccines work...
even against infection...


but especially in reducing severe disease

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Certainly I am as well. Pandemic fatigue.

However I can't complain too much when I see what family and friends in the health care world have to deal with. Makes my problems seem minor in comparison.

While perhaps not indicative of everywhere but here, Covid patients currently occupy only 5% of hospital beds and less than 4% of ICU beds. Not a big workload.

Hopefully, it subsides from that.

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by jeanathon

Actually no point was made. Just a change of subject.

Shouldn't all those antivaxxers be dead by now?

France with it's 90% vaccination rate just had 100,000 positive cases in 1 day. Is that anectdotal proof the vaccine does not work or just a "duh sh^t don't work"? But at least at this rate in 60 days everyone in France will have had it and get the coveted herd immunity.

I can't speak to what's happening in France; it doesn't directly effect me anyway.

But here's what I do know:

• As of right now (at age 68), if my wife or I have a heart attack, the local hospital doesn't have room for us.
  
• It doesn't have room because it's full of COVID patients.
  
• Of the COVID patients they are caring for, most (>80%) are unvaccinated / in the county I live in, less than 43% of eligible people have been fully vaccinated.
  
• Vaccinated people are getting sick with COVID, BUT - they are not the ones filling up the hospital.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Vaccines work...
even against infection...
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but especially in reducing severe disease

I’m not talking politics. I’m just talking reality. The omicron variant has rendered the vaccines not so useful anymore. They would’ve been extremely useful if everybody in the world got them to begin with. But, that didn’t happen. So here we are.