Covid vaccination status for CF members

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Revisiting of Cat's and my posts of yesterday under the thread titled: Northern Europe during the pandemic Summer 2020 and 2021 https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3367121

I hope this information will subdue any fears, or misperceptions that the AstraZeneca vaccine's virus being contagious.

The AZD1222 vaccine is a replication-deficient simian adenovirus vector, [a common chimpanzee cold virus] containing the full‐length codon‐optimised coding sequence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein along with a tissue plasminogen activator (tPA) leader sequence.

The benign adenovirus is called replication-deficient because some of its essential genes were deleted, so as to make it inactivated so it can not replicate itself, and replaced by a gene coding for the spike of SARS-CoV-2. Following vaccination, the adenovirus vector enters the cells, releases its genes, those are transported to the cell nucleus, thereafter the cell's machinery does the transcription in mRNA and the translation in proteins.

The AstraZeneca vaccine's modified virus can not replicate, therefore one can not accidentally be infected by talking to someone who has been vaccinated. The person that received the vaccine is not infected with the simian adenovirus, that virus is simply the vector.

Of course he is infected. Otherwise the cell would not be invaded by the virus mRNA and would not produce the proteins of the virus including the Corona spike proteins, and finally provoke an immune response, and flu symptoms.

Also the Virus is produced by replication, and it is alive - so it is able to multiply not only in the factory, but in the body, they dont take a gen scissor and cut the balls of every single virus off, before they put hundred thousands of them in a dose. Viruses multiply by using the cells of their victim as brotel and force their own dna to be replicated instead of the dna of the victim, splitting their double helix and making a print copy as mRNA, that synthesizes a new virus dna in the infected cell.

[valhalla360]

1/2 Billion doses administered worldwide as of yesterday.

US has been hanging at 2.5m per day
EU is up to just shy of 1.3m per day

71% of the US 65+ population has at least the first dose.

[davil]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

1/2 Billion doses administered worldwide as of yesterday.

US has been hanging at 2.5m per day
EU is up to just shy of 1.3m per day

71% of the US 65+ population has at least the first dose.

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[Montanan]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

1/2 Billion doses administered worldwide as of yesterday.

US has been hanging at 2.5m per day
EU is up to just shy of 1.3m per day

71% of the US 65+ population has at least the first dose.

Looking more like 2021 will be a transition year at least for the more developed countries that have access resources to vaccines.

My State, Montana is currently well into Phase 1B+. Phase 1B+ includes all persons aged 60 and older and those younger persons with certain at risk medical conditions not included in the original Phase 1B.

And in five days, on April 1, 2021 all Montanans 16 and older will become eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine. A month ahead of the Federal goal for the United States.

Stay safe, stay healthy. All the best.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Looking more like 2021 will be a transition year at least for the more developed countries that have access resources to vaccines.

My State, Montana is currently well into Phase 1B+. Phase 1B+ includes all persons aged 60 and older and those younger persons with certain at risk medical conditions not included in the original Phase 1B.

And in five days, on April 1, 2021 all Montanans 16 and older will become eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine. A month ahead of the Federal goal for the United States.

Stay safe, stay healthy. All the best.

Certainly the wealthy developed countries will benefit first but the poorer countries will benefit in the long run from the development and manufacturing ramp up.

USA, UK an Israel are fast approaching the point where supply exceeds demand (probably by mid summer). As that happens and as supply continues to grow, I expect we will see a shift in supply to other countries.

Yes, it will take time but at the current 12mil worldwide doses per day, it will take about 2yrs to administer enough doses to equal to the worlds population.
- While some require 2 doses, there are also large segments of the population already immune.
- Production is still ramping up quickly and will reduce the time required.
- With a focus on elderly where the vast majority of deaths occur, deaths/hospitalizations will likely drop off faster than total cases.
- Long before we hit 100% (not likely anyway) or even herd immunity, the virus will drop back to a minor nuisance while we continue to expand vaccinations.

[valhalla360]

Interesting article today on Thailand.

They are looking to focus their vaccine supplies primarily on key tourist areas. Then they can scale back or eliminate quarantine requirements for tourists entering those areas (particularly if the tourists are vaccinated).

As they have had very low overall numbers, the economics of opening up a key industry are a high priority for a tourist dependent country.

Probably not doable in western countries due to fairness questions plus a much more diversified economy but there is a certain logic to it if done correctly.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Certainly the wealthy developed countries will benefit first but the poorer countries will benefit in the long run from the development and manufacturing ramp up.

USA, UK an Israel are fast approaching the point where supply exceeds demand (probably by mid summer). As that happens and as supply continues to grow, I expect we will see a shift in supply to other countries.

Yes, it will take time but at the current 12mil worldwide doses per day, it will take about 2yrs to administer enough doses to equal to the worlds population.
- While some require 2 doses, there are also large segments of the population already immune.
- Production is still ramping up quickly and will reduce the time required.
- With a focus on elderly where the vast majority of deaths occur, deaths/hospitalizations will likely drop off faster than total cases.
- Long before we hit 100% (not likely anyway) or even herd immunity, the virus will drop back to a minor nuisance while we continue to expand vaccinations.

I don't think immunity matters.. the goal is to vaccinate any and all they can..
No vaccine, no rights..
No test for immunity and a pass if immune..

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I don't think immunity matters.. the goal is to vaccinate any and all they can..
No vaccine, no rights..
No test for immunity and a pass if immune..

Certainly, it's a long term goal to get as many vaccinated as possible...at least in the short term to get it under control. In the short term, known recovered individuals are not a high priority but it's messy separating them but a lot of people are doing it on their own (at least I know several who have diagnosed cases who aren't pushing for the vaccine).

Mandating rights based on vaccination is tricky at least in a free country.

For now, we don't have to worry about it as demand exceeds supply. As that changes, we need to look at what's happening.
- If the virus dies out, we can probably call it good enough.
- If it's still continuing at significant levels, we may want to take actions that encourage additional vaccinations.

Personally, I liked the suggestion of a pandemic payment tied to vaccination (probably needs a clause for situations where a doctor recommends against it for an individual). I'm betting a lot of skeptics would get over their skepticism for $1000 cash.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I don't think immunity matters.. the goal is to vaccinate any and all they can..
No vaccine, no rights..
No test for immunity and a pass if immune..

I agree, it is not about the virus, but get everybody inocculated with the substances they inject and spread as much "vaccines" as possible.

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by Montanan

My State, Montana is currently well into Phase 1B+. Phase 1B+ includes all persons aged 60 and older and those younger persons with certain at risk medical conditions not included in the original Phase 1B.



And in five days, on April 1, 2021 all Montanans 16 and older will become eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine. A month ahead of the Federal goal for the United t.

Here in Maine, as of this week, anyone over 50 can get the pfizer jab and we’re not going to switch to 16 and older for about 3 more weeks on April 19. It sounds like Montana is ahead of us but i wonder if most other states are making similar progress? I worked at the local vax site all day yesterday and the morning was crazy busy with a line 1/2 way around the block but from noon until 5 there was a steady flow but no line. Altogether about 2500 yesterday which is about average lately. One of the other volunteers i worked with is a northern Italian (Milan) who arrived here just prior to covid for a PhD program and his relatives back home are getting pretty frustrated by all this. Even though he’s only 31, because he’s a volunteer he’s been vaccinated but for his family back home they apparently have no idea when it will be available to them. He said that had his new wife not joined him within 2 weeks of when she arrived here, they’d have been separated this whole past year. Its amazing how luck has played into this and how varied our experience through this past year has been, from folks with all their family members close by who have been only slightly affected by the decrease in social contact to people like him who are trapped in a foreign country and unable to visit with family back home, to people who have lost loved ones forever, and it seems so random regarding whose lives are hugely impacted and whose lives have only had to endure an inconvenience.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Personally, I liked the suggestion of a pandemic payment tied to vaccination (probably needs a clause for situations where a doctor recommends against it for an individual). I'm betting a lot of skeptics would get over their skepticism for $1000 cash.

Haven't heard of this one Val. Nice carrot approach. But in the USA won't there be a significant stick approach given your private health insurance system? Won't insurance companies naturally penalize those who choose not to be vaccinated?

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Haven't heard of this one Val. Nice carrot approach. But in the USA won't there be a significant stick approach given your private health insurance system? Won't insurance companies naturally penalize those who choose not to be vaccinated?

Vaccine is free to US citizens and there is no mandate to get it when available, so no penalties. They aren't even mandating the military get it. So not sure what stick you are speaking of.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Vaccine is free to US citizens and there is no mandate to get it when available, so no penalties. They aren't even mandating the military get it. So not sure what stick you are speaking of.

It's just a question Val. Nothing more.

Why wouldn't private insurance companies insist on it? Seems like an easy way to reduce their risk, especially given that the government is paying for it, and it's readily available (or soon will be).

[Montanan]

My pharmacist quickly ran through his priority list of persons that were in Category 1A and then started calling is patients that would be in category 1B as he had his weekly allotment of vaccines that needed to be used, else they would cut back on his next weeks allotment. So he called me and said, "I have shots available, when can I schedule you and oh, yeah bring your wife."

His pharmacy is at one of our local SUPERmarkets and he has a large sign posted at the entry of the supermarket announcing that they have vaccines available and to stop by to make an appointment.

No line for vaccinations, just show up at your scheduled time, take a seat in a screened off part of the store and the pharmacist comes out gives you a jab; you then wait 15 minutes to see if you have any adverse effects before leaving and he schedules for the second dose a month later. I live within the boundaries of a large Native American reservation, [I do not have the privilege of being a tribal member, nor are most of the people that reside in the boundaries of the reservation]. All Native Americans over the age of 16 were placed in the second highest prioritization category and the Tribal Heath agency has been very proactive in soliciting their members to be inoculated and they were provide ample supplies of the vaccines to administer to all the tribal persons, [Note: The highest priority category was the front line healthcare workers]. So most of my neighbors have been inoculated.

The county is closing in on having 25% fully inoculate and nearing 50% with the first inoculation. The County Health Department removed the local mask mandate this week, as the risk of community spread and to those with highest co-morbidity factors has been diminished. Yet many people are still masked when shopping or gathering and keeping social distancing in respect of the safety of others.

A mask is but a simple ask and a simple task.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

It's just a question Val. Nothing more.

Why wouldn't private insurance companies insist on it? Seems like an easy way to reduce their risk, especially given that the government is paying for it, and it's readily available (or soon will be).

In the short term, demand exceeds supply and it's under emergency approval, so hard to mandate it without huge pushback and potential lawsuits. How do you charge someone more for not taking a product that isn't available?

In the long term, it's likely a non-issue if it fades away. There isn't much savings to be had if case loads are negligible.

At least with the flu vaccines, they've taken more of the carrot approach by including them at no additional cost for high risk individuals.

It's kind of ironic in the capitalist vs socialist health care discussion you are trying to bring up...the US (primarily capitalist) is doing quite well on distribution. The EU the prime example of socialist health care is lagging by a huge amount and really has turned into a laughing stock after a few months ago warning against vaccine hording and now displaying that exact behavior.