Covid vaccination status for CF members

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by DomPerignon

Whether it’s the military coming to your house and jabing you or it’s a business refusing service to you it’s both the same , forced vaccination. And it’s a violation of human rights and in most civilized countries it’s anti constitutional.
I can’t wait to see that and the sharks (lawyers) jumping in there .

As usual, you are simply incorrect. Look up your own laws and jurisprudence on the issue. It's not hard to find if you actually look at facts.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Who cares?

I was forced to do a measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, TDAP and yellow fever vaccine. I got a tetanus shot last year voluntarily after stepping on a nail.

Who actually gives a fk about getting another one? Do you really care about this one on top of all the other ones?

If you step on a rusty nail tomorrow you’re going to just sit home and hope not to get a tetanus infection because ‘Mercia or whatever?

That is cavalier Chotu. Experimental gene therapy with no recourse if it injures you. Ivermectin is much safer. You already have a proclivity for anaphylaxis right?

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

As usual, you are simply incorrect. Look up your own laws and jurisprudence on the issue. It's not hard to find if you actually look at facts.

It is just semantics as someone said earlier. Drop out of society or get the shots. For most, that would be the same as forced. But you just can't stand it if someone uses the forced word can you? Aren't you going to link to some facts? Where is this science that you follow anyway? Show us where you get your facts. You just repeat the same thing over and over and then call everything you don't agree with an echo chamber. Again and again. And we can't talk about risks (because you know that there aren't any risks because you follow the science and the science is never corrupt is it?) Get real.

[UFO]

My friend who is a sailor and also a nurse had the Astra Z shot 2 days ago. The next day she passed out and seriously twisted her knee (cruciate ligament) and also smashed her head - She was told categorically that it had nothing to do with the vaccine - They wouldn't even run any tests.



She is very fit and healthy and has never feinted before - But I guess you guys believe that it had nothing to do with the shot, along with all those 100's of blood clots that are appearing in every country now, just pure coincidence is suspect.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

It is just semantics as someone said earlier. Drop out of society or get the shots. For most, that would be the same as forced. But you just can't stand it if someone uses the forced word can you? Aren't you going to link to some facts? Where is this science that you follow anyway? Show us where you get your facts. You just repeat the same thing over and over and then call everything you don't agree with an echo chamber. Again and again. And we can't talk about risks (because you know that there aren't any risks because you follow the science and the science is never corrupt is it?) Get real.

The facts are linked in previous posts by me and others. But people like you, who keep repeating the same lies, are just too lazy to read them.

[GordMay]

Wake up sheeple!
Vaccines are dangerous, COVID-19 isn't* [nonetheless, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are the answers], and don't trust any ‘authorities’.
* Those 2.5 million deaths, and 115 million confirmed cases, are all fake news [Bill Gates is behind it all].

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Wake up sheeple!
Vaccines are dangerous, COVID-19 isn't* [nonetheless, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are the answers], and don't trust any ‘authorities’.
* Those 2.5 million deaths, and 115 million confirmed cases, are all fake news [Bill Gates is behind it all].

Those totals add up to around 1/3rd of the population of the USA and would barely register as a blip on China's 1.5 billion population..
Not denying there's a disease that's killing vulnerable folks but on the grand scale it is a very small percentile.
Tragic on the individual scale but when one takes that out of the equation it's not even a threat to population growth.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Those totals add up to around 1/3rd of the population of the USA and would barely register as a blip on China's 1.5 billion population..
Not denying there's a disease that's killing vulnerable folks but on the grand scale it is a very small percentile.
Tragic on the individual scale but when one takes that out of the equation it's not even a threat to population growth.

If you take the large or long view, nothing really matters. Very nihilist of you Boatie.

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I bet you are not one of the millions of people who lost a job, had a business bankrupted, committed suicide, lost a year of school and will be permanently stunted from that, went hungry from loss of school lunches, died of an untreated heart condition or cancer (10's of thousands just in the UK), suffered from the huge increases in domestic violence and drug abuse and alcoholism during lockdown, none of whom would characterize the last year as "a pain in the ass". A "pain in the ass" is you lost 3% of your retirement which was invested in shopping center stocks; what the masses suffered has been life-changing (or -ending). So you are not one of those so you can't speak for "the 99%". There isn't any "99%"; there are middle class and up people who are mostly doing fine, and there are working class and below people who have been devastated in large numbers and whose jobs are not coming back, and some of whose children are STILL out of school.

Middle-aged, middle-class white guys without children at home, with comfortable homes and jobs which they can perform from those comfortable homes, or older retired middle-class white guys, have had an ENTIRELY different experience of the pandemic and of the pandemic measures than the working class and working poor, who have been devastated by the pandemic measures (yes, the MEASURES, and not just the pandemic). Almost all the jobs lost from the middle class and up have come back into existence; a large percentage of lower income jobs have not and possibly will not ever.

Policymakers had a hard job to do, to choose the right response to the pandemic -- I wouldn't have wanted to be in their shoes. And the dust has still not settled and we still don't know for sure, but in my opinion it is becoming increasingly clear that many of the strictest measures did much more harm than good, especially to the disadvantaged, and to children, and that this will be clear with time, so maybe we won't repeat those mistakes.

And disclosure of interest -- I'm doing just fine, and even feeling a little guilty about it. My work is done easily from home or a hotel or my yacht, my assets everywhere have increased in value even if some tenants were shut down for a while, my U.S. assets had their best year ever, increasing more than 20%. Since the economy hasn't yet done a complete meltdown, neither the pandemic nor the measures against it had had much effect on me economically -- so far. I guess the same is true for 90% of the people on here, who mostly don't belong to the working class masses. So if I had been so inclined I could have joined those who were shouting down anyone who politely questioned the exact contents of the measures, but I try to see beyond my own narrow interests, and beyong those things that I fear personally, and try to understand what very different things, other people fear. I have an unpleasant feeling that policy in many places was driven disproportionately by the interests of that group of people -- rich white guys.

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I agree that many have suffered horribly from this pandemic, and not just those who caught it themselves or lost loved ones. Lots of real hardship and suffering by millions of people from ALL walks of life. But i find your stereotyping of “middle aged, middle class white guys” or even “rich white guys” to be extremely racist, sexist, and offensive. Are you not aware that there are many millions of middle aged, middle class females working from home as well as males and females of all racial backgrounds, and are you not aware of the many millions of poor white people who have suffered from this just as much as those in any other racial or age grouping? And do you really think that rich females, rich blacks, rich hispanics, rich Asians, etc. dont frequently vote their own self interest and have just as loud a voice as any “rich white guy?” Like i said, i do agree with the general theme of your post that for too many, this pandemic has been WAY beyond just an inconvenience and that should never be minimized, but i encourage you to avoid contributing to divisive stereotypes of ANY group of people, including whites. Its simply not OK. If you want to point out wrongdoing, point at the guilty individual, tell us what they did wrong and why you think that, and leave it up to others to notice or not notice how dark or light their skin is or what gender they are or what religion they belong to, IF we think those characteristics are significant to their wrongdoing.

Also, you keep mentioning how guilty you feel about getting vaccinated, almost like some form of cheap virtue signaling because you “feel” guilty for cutting in line ahead of some others, whether you actually did or not. But how you now say you “feel” didnt stop you from going through with it and it doesnt help anyone get vaccinated more quickly so there’s that. I personally doubt that you did anything wrong by getting vaccinated when you did but since you say you feel guilt, why dont you DO something about it by volunteering to help others get vaccinated as expeditiously as possible? The worldwide vaccination effort necessarily involves a large percentage of unpaid volunteer workers who arent qualified to plunge needles into peoples arms but can help by checking them in or by helping disabled people through the long line as painlessly as possible or even joking/chatting with someone who has a fear of needles to distract them, or doing many other menial jobs that need doing in order to speed up the whole process. I bet that if you went to your local vaccination site and volunteered some of your time, after just a few shifts you’d see where slight changes could make the process a bit more efficient and you could make that suggestion or in some places make that change yourself so “your” vax site vaccinates a few more people a day or you make it a less unpleasant experience for someone, and at the end of the day you could ruminate about some of the real to you people you helped get vaccinated more expeditiously rather than the imaginary people you worry you might have cut in front of. And we wont have to read about how guilty you feel any more. [emoji4]

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Those totals add up to around 1/3rd of the population of the USA ...
... Tragic on the individual scale but when one takes that out of the equation it's not even a threat to population growth.

Indeed.
In terms of net gain (births minus deaths), we are adding over 220,000 people to this planet every day, or over 150 people every minute. That equals over 80 million more people every year, about the same as the combined populations of California and Canada.
What a couple million, give or take?

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

Sorry, are you saying you think that European Union Health care is predominantly Socialist? These are all Capitalist countries!

I was referring to the healthcare system which is commonly put forth as a model for socialist health care systems.

And the UK (which is one of the Global leaders in Vaccine rollout) has the most significantly State-run Healthcare system in Western Europe - in fact in much of the World. I think if any European Healthcare system is Socialist it is the UK’s NHS and we have had a very successful vaccine rollout.

Yes, they have done excellent but they often aren't held up nearly as often as an example.

So that should put to bed the idea that the EU’s problems are to do with Socialism.

I wonder if the EU problems might lie in the fact it is, at the moment, a bit between two stools – the members were not acting as individual countries or acting decisively as a single nation. The US almost suffered from this but being a bit further along the unification route the federal government could act more effectively - once it had made up its mind the vaccine was real and needed proper attention.

You describe the fundamental problem with the EU. I've long said, they don't know if they are a collection of countries or a United States of Europe. They are also heavily dominated by a few members.

I think the UK is interesting because our government likes to credit free market capitalism for the vaccine success but what actually happened is the government directly hired an individual (with a successful private business background) to run the vaccine taskforce and agreed to spend/risk lots of government money on vaccine contracts. Then the distribution was managed through the state-run NHS.

So you are saying...the capitalist approach is what worked?


To me this suggests the best result might be delivered by what was once called a Mixed Economy - a phrase that has apparently gone out of favour under the onslaught of conflicting ideology and spin that we currently suffer.

And governments hiring big private companies to fulfil what are ultimately government responsibilities often turns out to provide a big trough at which inefficient and vastly overpaid people feed. I think this vaccine situation suggests it might be good to hire people with a proven business track record to run a system delivered by a unified healthcare system.

Every economy is a "mixed economy". No one has every implemented a pure economic system. While I lean strongly towards a capitalist system, there are targeted areas where a more socialist approach makes sense (road systems for example).

As often as not the proverbial private companies feeding at the government trough are caused by the government being too involved and not stepping back to let the market work things out.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

If you take the large or long view, nothing really matters. Very nihilist of you Boatie.

One gets that way growing up in the hard reality of the Third World as opposed to the molly coddled 1st World..
Try looking into 80yr old eyes in a 6yr old body sometime.

[davil]

well
my daily masochistic exercise accomplished I can move on and start my day.
Used to do this exercise reading the latest tweet of he, whose name should not be mentioned, but after the elections and the ban was sort of disoriented until undergoing treatment for the withdrawn symptoms finally found a replacement reading some of the comments and positions regarding the pandemic.
There is light at the end of the tunnel, albeit a very dim light at times as well as really long tunnel!
But that has been the history of human development, eventually all things get sorted out despite the recalcitrant resistance to change and overcome this tendency to remain ignorant despite all indications to the contrary.
My profound admiration to all of those committed trying to bring light to those determined minds to remain totally committed to their inquisition era of history.
Well, the good news we are no longer burned at the stake !!!

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by mat jam

I could tell you a lot about the coming plans (as i have read high level docs that detailed everything happening now) but will refrain and just say you guys have no idea what your lives will be like in the coming years.....

Good luck as you will need it. And me, i will be okay as my background is not like yours.

So you’ve got a secret from reading “high level docs” and you’re really passionate about it but apparently not passionate enough to share just what these “high level docs” say that makes you so certain you’re right? “Ive got a secret and you have no idea what it is, nah nah nah nah nah nah.” I remember a few kids used to play that game back in my first grade class. Is that you David or Neil?

So glad that YOUR crystal ball is working perfectly so you can predict the future with certainty and you’ll be ok, now I’ll sleep better tonight......

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by DomPerignon

Fake numbers, invisible dead , all powerful propaganda and I can see it’s working

Do your delusions apply only to covid or do they take many forms?