Covid vaccination status for CF members

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Then Burger King (or another competitor) decided to take them on with a "Third-Pounder. It was a flop; most customers thought that 1/3 was smaller than 1/4 so they avoided it.

It was A&W that tried (and failed with) the "1/3rd pounder".

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

It was A&W that tried (and failed with) the "1/3rd pounder".

You are correct.

[Seaworthy Lass]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Personally I view the AZ and Sputnik jabs with less prejudice than the mRNA jabs..
They are based on proven techniques like the Tetanus shots which use horse urine for example.. dangerous for my father who had an allergy to horses but perfectly safe for me as I did not inherit that part of his gene code..
https://health-faq.com/diseases-and-...20replace%20it.
Side effects as we have seen do exist with AZ but I am also not allergic to monkeys so alls good there..
In the long run, only time will tell..

I know you are probably only joking, so I was hesitant to respond, but you are a respected member and so there will be many who accept your post on face value, which I think could lead to bad decisions being made.

The AZ and Sputnik V vaccines are based on very new technology, which prior to this pandemic had never been approved for human use (an Ebola vaccine was approved a few months ago).

They have nothing to do with horse serum (or urine) or any component of animal blood. They are also nothing like vaccines used to treat some bacterial infections such as tetanus where a toxoid (a modified version of the toxin the bacteria produces) is injected.

Allergies to monkeys are irrelevant. It is a virus than can infect chimps that is the carrier used to transport the SARS-CoV2 genetic information into our cells, which in turn instruct our cells to make the SARS-CoV2 virus spike protein.

These vaccines are miraculous for those at high risk of severe COVID-19, but along with the mRNA vaccines I think they should be considered very carefully by those who are “young” (under 40-50) and in good health who are not exposed to very high viral loads (eg some hospital staff).

Your last sentence is unfortunately correct. In the long run only time will tell regarding the safety of these very new, very different vaccines.

SWL

[Thumbs Up]

But it is the spike protein itself that is being implicated in the thromboembolic (blood clotting) events that keep killing people. The shots (both mRNA and viral vector) are telling the cells to produce this protein. We can only take their word for it that too much of this spike protein will not be produced. CDC and FDA and WHO are all in bed with big pharma which is constantly being prosecuted for lying. The media and governments are also in bed with big pharma, spend billions on ad campaigns (propaganda) to silence dissent and (using every psychological trick known) convince the masses that those that disagree are the enemy. The few that have the guts to vocally disagree are ostracized, vilified or worse. We have all been taught from a young age to shut up, trust authority and obey. Most just want to be on the side that appears to be winning. If you can't handle being ostracized then YOU MUST OBEY!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Seaworthy Lass

I know you are probably only joking, so I was hesitant to respond, but you are a respected member and so there will be many who accept your post on face value, which I think could lead to bad decisions being made.

The AZ and Sputnik V vaccines are based on very new technology, which prior to this pandemic had never been approved for human use (an Ebola vaccine was approved a few months ago).

They have nothing to do with horse serum (or urine) or any component of animal blood. They are also nothing like vaccines used to treat some bacterial infections such as tetanus where a toxoid (a modified version of the toxin the bacteria produces) is injected.

Allergies to monkeys are irrelevant. It is a virus than can infect chimps that is the carrier used to transport the SARS-CoV2 genetic information into our cells, which in turn instruct our cells to make the SARS-CoV2 virus spike protein.

These vaccines are miraculous for those at high risk of severe COVID-19, but along with the mRNA vaccines I think they should be considered very carefully by those who are “young” (under 40-50) and in good health who are not exposed to very high viral loads (eg some hospital staff).

Your last sentence is unfortunately correct. In the long run only time will tell regarding the safety of these very new, very different vaccines.

SWL

To all members..
Take what I say with a pinch of salt at all times..

PS: I learnt at a young age Not to trust authority figures.
They lie to you as soon as your old enough to understand your language and can always be relied on to put their interests above yours.

[Tillikum]

Such cynicism in one so young is most encouraging.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

But it is the spike protein itself that is being implicated in the thromboembolic (blood clotting) events that keep killing people. The shots (both mRNA and viral vector) are telling the cells to produce this protein.

We can only take their word for it that too much of this spike protein will not be produced.

No, we can also monitor and study as the vaccination rollout proceeds. Hey - you know what else produces spike proteins and is MORE likely to trigger clotting or other coagulation disorders? COVID-19. It can do other bad stuff to you too, btw. With a probability that's a few orders of magnitude more than that of the vaccines.


(would a credible link or two be too much to ask for? of course if it's just another of those comically wrong "alternate" medical sites, don't bother)

[Thumbs Up]

I almost always provide credible links, LE, you pretty much never do. We have a lot of armchair cruisers on this site, but now the armchair virologists are taking over. If you are as good at internetting as you say, you could easily find these links yourself. Good research is looking at all the information, not just the stuff that supports your views. Here are some highly credible links:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1252960v1.full
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/0...e-the-culprit/
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699/rr-6
How about posting some yourself for a change?

edit: sorry, didn't give you credit for: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33223324/
How or why you choose to label your links differently than they appear I do not know.

Here is a very credible article about Ivermectin:
http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/J...74-1_44-95.pdf

More links:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301262360.html
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...762-5/fulltext
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/92022
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/as...lots-low-blood

[Clivevon]

Wow! 62 pages already. Speaking as a 75 year old who has had 1 AZ jab (no 2nd head as yet) & will be having the 2nd in a couple of weeks, all I can say is thank goodness for the vaccines. When we can go sailing again in UK, no adult (lets say over 18 for this purpose) will be allowed on my boat who hasn't had one. I don't care which one.

[Thumbs Up]

Washington Post article on ivermectin:

Pierre Kory, a critical-care physician, is undeterred. Kory, a co-founder of the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, a group of physicians and scientists from several countries, argues that studies from around the world show ivermectin is a “miracle drug” for covid-19 and should be deployed immediately. He opposes waiting for data from large randomized clinical trials to authorize its use, saying too many people are dying of covid-19.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...in-covid-drug/
Here is commentary on that article:

We appreciate the interest from the Washington Post in the use of ivermectin as a safe and effective preventative and treatment for COVID-19. However, the article published yesterday left out several key components of the complete story of how ivermectin is saving lives all over the world. These include the overwhelming amount of data on ivermectin, the consequences of the prohibitive approach by the government agencies, observations in clinical settings and the censorship of well-respected medical and scientific experts.

The amount of data supporting the efficacy of ivermectin is irrefutable. The British Ivermectin Recommendation Development Panel, following World Health Organization guidelines for meta-analysis of data, has recommended its use both to prevent and treat COVID-19. In so doing, they followed evidence that included seven controlled trials on over 2,600 patients to conclude that ivermectin both reduces the risk of infection and the risk of bad outcomes for those who get infected. Additionally, a soon to be published peer reviewed study concluded that ivermectin should be the standard of care for preventing and treating COVID-19. To reach this conclusion, the study’s authors conducted the most extensive review to date of ivermectin trials.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/vide...on-post-story/

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

I almost always provide credible links, LE, you pretty much never do.

You already know that's a lie. You post way more more freeform paranoid rants than links, and many of your links are just echoes from tainted sources. Start reviewing posts and counting.

If you are as good at internetting as you say, you could easily find these links yourself. Good research is looking at all the information, not just the stuff that supports your views. Here are some highly credible links:

Oh yes please - let's review these links:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1252960v1.full
-> COVID can cause clotting abnormalities. pretty much what i just told you

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/0...e-the-culprit/
-> COVID can cause clotting abnormalities. pretty much what i just told you

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699
-> old news about AZ vaccine; evaluation is still ongoing

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699/rr-6
-> ... SAME article

So, please do the math. Find out how many COVID patients had coagulation or related problems, in addition to all the other stuff. Now find out how many vaccine recipients have had coagulation problems.

Think about who is most likely to have more viral spike proteins rocketing around their bloodstream - people who have just been vaccinated, or people who are sick with COVID?

You're gonna see that people who get sick with COVID are far more likely to have clotting problems than vaccine recipients. Why isn't this obvious to you?

edit: sorry, didn't give you credit for: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33223324/
How or why you choose to label your links differently than they appear I do not know.

Maybe read up on how to create text links in forum posts.

Here is a very credible article about Ivermectin:
http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/J...74-1_44-95.pdf

Yes. Possibly the most impressive so far. Yet I couldn't find out whether Ivermectin is approved for COVID treatment in Japan... the place that drug was invented.

Here is an explanation of the trial process (Aug 2020) it will have to pass. You're worried about the accelerated, yet still pretty thorough test process for the COVID vaccines, yet a couple alternate sites start raving about Ivermectin last year, and suddenly it's a conspiracy if you can't have some like RIGHT NOW...

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by boatman61

To all members..
Take what I say with a pinch of salt at all times..

PS: I learnt at a young age Not to trust authority figures.
They lie to you as soon as your old enough to understand your language and can always be relied on to put their interests above yours.

And a shot of tequilla.

Cheers!

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

The main risks from mRNA vaccines are pretty much the same as older-style dead-virus vaccines... reactions to the additives! I'll be a pint that, aside from additives, the mRNA vaccines will prove to be safer and more efficient overall. It really is amazing biotechnology, and is NOT messing with the recipient's DNA. If people would only take the time to understand how the covid mRNA vaccines are made and what gets injected, this "genetic experiment" BS would fade away. I think it could become the dominant viral vaccine technology in the future, and the list of preventable diseases will grow.

Exactly.

And what’s really interesting about this method is you could do something like sequence someone’s cancerous tumor, have some cells make that protein, then “vaccinate” the immune system into attacking the tumor.

Individualized treatments.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

No, we can also monitor and study as the vaccination rollout proceeds. Hey - you know what else produces spike proteins and is MORE likely to trigger clotting or other coagulation disorders? COVID-19. It can do other bad stuff to you too, btw. With a probability that's a few orders of magnitude more than that of the vaccines.


(would a credible link or two be too much to ask for? of course if it's just another of those comically wrong "alternate" medical sites, don't bother)

Right???? How do people forget this?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Montanan

And a shot of tequilla.

Cheers!

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