Covid vaccine after having covid

[Montanan]

COVID-19’s late-stage victims haunt loved ones left behind

June 12, 2021

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...s-left-behind/

Snipets:

They came so close. Philip Sardelis already had his vaccine appointment in hand. Cinnamon Jamila Key had just received her first shot. Charles Pryor tried but couldn’t get the coronavirus vaccine in time. Alexey Aguilar had been reluctant to commit to such a new medicine but was coming around to the idea.
And then COVID-19 took them. On top of the grief and sorrow, their families now also must deal with the unfairness, the eternal mystery of what might have been.
The Americans who have died of COVID-19 in recent days and weeks — the people whose deaths have pushed the total U.S. loss from the pandemic to nearly 600,000 — passed away even as their families, friends and neighbors emerged from 15 months of isolation and fear. The juxtaposition is cruel: Here, masks off; workplaces, shops and schools reopening. There, people struggling to breathe, separated from loved ones, silenced by ventilators.

“The finish line is in sight and if you don’t make it now, it’s like the astronauts who make it all the way home and then their capsule splashes down and sinks,”

. . .

Lissette said she hopes her husband’s story pushes more people to get the shot. She can’t get over the feeling that his late death was so “unfair. But then again,” she said, “we are not special. COVID attacks anybody. It doesn’t matter who you are.”

She still hears people defend their decision not to get vaccinated by saying that they have more than a 90% chance of survival if infected.

“It doesn’t make me feel better that it’s only 2%, or 5%,” Lissette said. “The families like mine, we also matter. I can’t believe there are people that say that just because they don’t have anyone dead.”

[Montanan]

Fauci warns of COVID-19 Delta variant now spreading rapidly in U.K.: 'We cannot let that happen in the United States'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-war...181611374.html

The emergence of the Delta variant presents a new challenge because vaccines provide “somewhat less protection against infection with the Delta variant.” Even fully vaccinated people appear to develop fewer neutralizing antibodies against the Delta strain than for other variants.

Fauci also said in Tuesday’s briefing that the new Delta variant may be “associated with increased disease severity” compared with the coronavirus wild type. The Delta variant is from 40 to 60% more infectious than the original virus type.

People who have had only their first dose of the two-dose vaccines from Pfizer and AstraZeneca appear to be especially vulnerable to the Delta variant, Fauci said on Tuesday. . . .

While both vaccines were about 50 percent effective against the original SARS-CoV-2 strain three weeks after the first dose, they were only 33 percent effective against the Delta strain. Two weeks after the second dose, their effectiveness jumped to 88 percent for Pfizer and 60 percent for AstraZeneca, representing what were only slight decreases in effectiveness when compared with the original coronavirus strain.

. . .

During Tuesday’s briefing, Fauci noted that peak transmission of the virus was in the 12-to-20 age group in the U.K. Adolescents became eligible for the vaccine last month in the United States. In the U.K., however, vaccination for younger people has been significantly slower.

[sv_pelagia]

Even 1 dose of vaccine significantly reduces illness from variants...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...063282?cmp=rss

One dose of the vaccine, whether it was Pfizer or AstraZeneca, still actually provided quite a bit of protection against severe illness and certainly against hospitalization," said Prof. Jason Kindrachuk, an assistant professor and Canada Research Chair in emerging viruses at the University of Manitoba.

"Yes we still need to get two doses, but you know what? Even with a single dose these vaccines work amazingly well."

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

The majority of US pro-ivermectin articles seem to be spun from the same origin story - FLCCC and Drs Marik and Kory.

It sounds... miraculous. Yet, in formal trials, ivermectin has apparently not offered significant improvement in outcomes, and also has its own drawbacks, hence it hasn't been recommended widely.

Why is this? This is where its proponents yell "conspiracy" - that effective and cheap treatments are being blocked by Big Pharma so that they can make piles of money from vaccines.

It's hard to make sense from all the noise on both sides, but here is my take, based on all that I've read to date.

1. The majority of COVID patients recover regardless of the treatment, so it's hard to pin down whether any specific regimen makes the difference between life and death. To paraphrase one article: if you give every COVID patient lime Jello daily, and the majority recover... is lime Jello an effective treatment for COVID?
2. Especially at the start of the pandemic, doctors were trying everything, and often in combinations. If there's an apparent difference, how do you decide what made the difference? One doctor told me that initially using conventional settings on intubated COVID patients had poor outcomes; it took a while to figure out the most effective settings. So... improvements in outcomes have come from many corners; no single silver bullet has emerged.
3. If ivermectin really was a miracle cure... we'd know by now. As the poorer countries wait for vaccines, they're going to be desperately trying anything and everything - especially such an inexpensive and widely available drug, and no "Big Pharma" would be able to deter them. And it would be obvious if such a drug was making a dramatic improvement.
4. I don't see the FLCCC sending doctors into the poorest and hardest-hit countries, and being hailed as heroes for stopping the tide of COVID deaths.

So, that's this layman's take. Maybe I'm just too naive to see the conspiracy angle.

Thanks for the analysis L-E - quite helpful (for me anyway). I agree it is hardly likely to be a conspiracy. It could be better explained by professional egos, CYA aspects and just general incompetence with the lions share going to professional egos.

I do recall the stomach ulcer debacle a decade or so back where an unknown Aussie GP had get tremendous difficulties overturning the accepted (but wrong) treatment for these ulcers. The worldwide mainstream medical establishment knew he "must be wrong" because his hypothesis was so outside what they held as the truth since "forever". No one was willing to take his viewpoint seriously and do their own studies. Of course in the end his treatment has become 'best practice' but the journey was rough and tough.

Add to the mix, the partisan political divide that currently exists in the 'world's greatest country and best health care system' <insert sarcasm emoji> and it is unlikely a simple solution could gain traction once any one side promotes it.

My take - it is not a silver bullet but likely to be a bronze tipped arrow that should be at the forefront of the quiver when the side arm magazine is empty.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by LittleWing77

Wottie,

About Us
Welcome to Mountain Home, the monthly magazine of the Twin Tiers and beyond, with 20,000 copies distributed at more than 250 popular places each month. I’m Teresa Capuzzo, the editor and publisher of Mountain Home, and here’s who we are, in a nutshell...

It is a magazine local to Pennsylvania, a state smaller than Tasmania (geographically) with a population of 13 million.

In that context, a circulation of 20,000 copies is peanuts. The Capuzzos seem to run the magazine together: she edits; he writes. His previous newspaper was The Philadelphia Inquirer (also small potatoes).

While I can't speak to the sources for his article, based on this quick research, I can tell you that Mountain Home Magazine falls under your "something else" categorization.

For integrity in reporting in North America, stick with The New York Times, The Washington Post, and our own, Globe and Mail (Canada) or The Canadian Press.

Warmly,
LittleWing77-who-says-
Wottie-is-still-King!

Thanks Little Wing (Madam President ), very helpful. It puts things in perspective although I do recall something about "out of the mouths of babes"...

[GordMay]

Robin Warren, a pathologist from Perth, and Barry Marshall, a senior research fellow at the University of Western Australia, shared the 2005 Nobel prize, for their 1982 discovery of a bacterium, helicobacter pylori, which causes stomach inflammations and ulcers.
➥ https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ighereducation

A 2010 interview with Dr. Barry Marshall is quite illuminating:
“The Doctor Who Drank Infectious Broth, Gave Himself an Ulcer, and Solved a Medical Mystery”
The medical elite thought they knew what caused ulcers and stomach cancer. But they were wrong — and didn't want to hear otherwise.
➥ https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...edical-mystery

[El Pinguino]

I've been avoiding this thread but like a moth to the flame....

I'm not aware of any country where getting vaccinated is obligatory. So get vaccinated or don't get vaccinated - your choice.

However this is a cruising forum and the people on it I would imagine are mainly 'cruisers'.

If said 'cruisers' want to 'go foreign' they may find - down the track - that it is more difficult than it needs to be if they are not vaccinated.
Ecuador already requires either a very recent negative test or proof of vaccination.

I imagine health insurers will want you to be vaccinated if you want to be covered for Covid. Not a good look getting 'covid crook' in a foreign land without coverage.

Someone said you don't need proof of vaccination for other diseases and provided a list - which omitted Yellow Fever. That disease is still very much in vogue in a huge swathe of tropical Africa and South America and yes - you do need your little yellow book.
Not only getting in but also getting out.
Arriving in Australia one of the questions asked is 'have you been in South America in the last 14(?) days. Tick the 'yes' box and you will be then asked 'which country?' Only two answers will save you from further interogation... Chile or Uruguay.
Wottie.... a lot of your chums seem to have side affects... are you sure it wasn't down to Boags? I had AZ 2 months ago.... felt a bit hungover the next day.. put it down to a nice bottle of Carmenere.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by GordMay

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A 2010 interview with Dr. Barry Marshall is quite illuminating:
“The Doctor Who Drank Infectious Broth, Gave Himself an Ulcer, and Solved a Medical Mystery”
The medical elite thought they knew what caused ulcers and stomach cancer. But they were wrong — and didn't want to hear otherwise.
➥ https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...edical-mystery

Great article GordMay, well worth reading IMO and a good reminder for those who trust in the infallibility of 'Big Medicine'.

Who knows, maybe Pierre Kory will be the next Barry Marshall.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

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Wottie.... a lot of your chums seem to have side affects... are you sure it wasn't down to Boags? I had AZ 2 months ago.... felt a bit hungover the next day.. put it down to a nice bottle of Carmenere.

Nah, I just hang with unlucky wallahs

[GordMay]

What Data Scientists Learned by Modeling the Spread of Covid-19
Models of the disease have become more complex, but are still only as good as the assumptions at their core, and the data that feed them.
➥ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...-19-180977964/

[Montanan]

A U.S. federal judge just ruled that over 100 Houston hospital workers may be fired if they don't get the COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...?ocid=msedgntp

US District Judge Lynn Hughes writing in his order of dismissal Saturday evening that none of the employees were forced or coerced to take the vaccine.

The workers were free to accept or reject a vaccine and that they would "simply need to work elsewhere" if they chose the latter. "If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for his remuneration," Hughes wrote. "That is all part of the bargain."

. . .

Houston Methodist made national headlines earlier this year when it announced it would require its 26,000 employees to be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus by June 7. "Those who are not vaccinated by that date face suspension and eventual termination," the hospital said in a FAQ page published in April.

The hospital's policy also contained exemptions for workers with sincerely held religious beliefs and certain medical conditions, including pregnancy.

Since then, the hospital system has suspended 178 workers who didn't meet the vaccination deadline. They will be fired if they aren't vaccinated by June 21.

[Mike OReilly]

And in Canada (Globe & Mail):

As COVID-19 outbreaks in long-term care continue, B.C. rethinks voluntary vaccines policy

Ninety-five per cent of seniors at Kelowna’s Spring Valley long-term care home have been vaccinated to protect them against COVID-19, but only two-thirds of caregivers at the facility had rolled up their sleeves for their shot when an outbreak was declared in mid-May. Over the past month, 11 residents have died because of the virus.

“We are at the intersection of all of this legislation and law; operators are in a legal stranglehold,” he said. “But we have to take action, the public demands it. So we have implemented mandatory vaccination for new hires.”

That’s the part he can control. But he would like B.C. and Alberta to take a stronger stand, as the governments in Ontario and Quebec have. “Government cannot look at employee rights in isolation,” he said. “We have to look at the wellness of the residents we look after.”

British Columbia is now rethinking its soft-touch approach.

[Montanan]

A high school in New Hampshire created its own contact tracing system by marking unvaccinated and fully vaccinated students who attended its senior prom earlier this month. Students at Exeter High School's prom were labeled according to their vaccination status and the decision has received objections from some parents and a state official.

"Children that were not vaccinated were written on in black Sharpie on their hands and those that were vaccinated had some type of red marker put on them,"

The school district said that the students were told about the system before the prom, however, some of the parents said they were not notified. In a statement to the news station, Exeter High School Principal Mike Monahan said that the system, although not perfect, allowed the seniors to enjoy their prom.

Exeter High School Principal statement.

"Our student and parent feedback has been extremely positive regarding the prom experience. We are aware that some concerns have been expressed that students were singled out or had their privacy violated. We made every effort possible - while adhering to contact tracing guidelines - to ensure that this did not happen," "We hope the community will understand that while no model is perfect, this model let the students enjoy a close to normal and highly desired experience to cap off their senior year. That's the memory we want to leave them with."

Reference for the above story link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp



What a difference in one's life a few months can make as to becoming vaccinated. Please don't delay getting vaccinated.

My cousin's daughter is a junior in high school in a small town in Montana. She has been sick from Covid-19 for coming on five months and has not been able to attend school and yes she missed Prom. She will be travelling to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota to seek specialist care. COVID can be harsh and the Delta variant is especially rampant with youngsters. She became infected before the vaccines were granted emergency use authorization with her age group.

Ditto for my wife, she got polio as a month old infant, in July 1952 and it severely damaged the bones and the muscle of one of her legs requiring her to have her good leg shortened to match as she grew older and to have bones in her bad ankle fused together. In 1952, the worst polio outbreak in American history infected 58,000 people, killing more than 3,000 and paralyzing 21,000 — the majority of them children. When Dr. Jonas Salk’s vaccine debuted its first mass inoculation against polio on Feb. 23, 1954, the only fear most parents felt was that it wouldn’t become widely available fast enough to save their kids.

Children from the Arsenal Elementary School in Pittsburgh, where Salk ran his research lab, took part in the first “field test” of the new vaccine, although Salk had already tried it on volunteers — starting with himself, his wife, and their children — who’d successfully produced polio antibodies without getting sick. By June, nearly two million schoolchildren in 44 states had been inoculated, and a year later the vaccine was officially licensed.

[El Pinguino]

'Covid-19 infections in Chile:
Children under 19 years old outnumber those over 65.
The 128th Epidemiological Report published yesterday reveals that the highest number of hospitalized by coronavirus focuses on the population between 18 and 49 years old.'
Full article here
https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacion...ayores-65.html

[Montanan]

A pandemic should not be a politically divisive issue, but unfortunately it certainly has been in the USA.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

"President Biden has said he wants 70 percent of Americans to have at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose by July 4th, as things currently stand the country is on track to miss that goal. And while most states that voted for Biden will likely meet or exceed the 70 percent mark, many states that Trump won are behind.
. . .

Despite the lagging vaccination rates, the U.S. will still get somewhat close to Biden’s 70 percent goal by July 4th, likely falling short by a few percentage points.

Here is the kicker:

"Seventeen of the 18 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates voted for Trump, according to an NPR analysis of CDC data. The top 22 states, including D.C., with the highest adult vaccination rates voted for Biden. And, CNN reported, the partisan gap has grown substantially in recent months. As of April 1, there was only a weak correlation between the 2020 election results and vaccination rates, but now the relationship is much stronger."

Groups also differ in vaccination rates across demographics. Younger people are less likely to be vaccinated. And black Americans are also trailing behind, although it appears that is because some may not yet have access to the vaccine.

Yet another kicker: "And although Trump did receive the vaccine in January while he was still president, he did not announce or publicize it to his supporters, so the public did not know until the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman broke the news in March." As of mid-May, 92% of Republican Senators had been vaccinated and 45 percent of Republican Representatives had been vaccinated.

This virus does not distinguish between political persuasion. It finds people who are not fully vaccinated.

Harsh Reality Check:

https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org...-unvaccinated/

According to preliminary data from the Cleveland Clinic, 99 percent of patients admitted to the hospital with coronavirus from January to mid-April 2021 were not fully vaccinated. “From January first to around mid-April, we’ve had around 4,300 admissions to the hospital with COVID. Of those patients, 99% were not fully vaccinated,” Researchers looked at nearly 2,000 hospital workers who had contracted COVID-19. They studied infections in the four months after the vaccine was offered. Results show 99.7% of infections in this group occurred among those who were unvaccinated.

They also found coronavirus MRNA vaccines to be more than 97% effective in protecting against COVID-19.

“This vaccine is highly effective to prevent our community from getting sick, not only our caregivers but the community. We have data on both. It cannot be more clear the message that vaccines work and it’s the key action that we need to do to get back to our normal lives as they were before coronavirus,”