Covid vaccine after having covid

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I assume the irony of you posting this is not lost on you?

I'll await your analysis to be published and peer reviewed before wasting time pretending I'm an epidemiologist or a virologist. Which is exactly the point of the DK reference (in case I'm being to subtle).

Just send it to CNN or the NYT..

[garyfdl]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

(Not sure if this was posted)

Not yet peer-reviewed study:

Most COVID-19 Infections and Hospitalizations are in Unvaccinated

ADD: This theme is repeating itself in anecdotes all over the world. Just do a search for "hospitalization" AND "unvaccinated", and insert nation, and you'll find the stories.

Local TV station in Milwaukee reported in the last few days that since March, 95% of COVID related deaths in Wisconsin... people who were unvaccinated. 99% of people in Wisconsin who required hospitalization for COVID in the last 6 months were... unvaccinated.

As you said, anecdotal evidence keeps piling up.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Greg K

I'm afraid you're still being too subtle. If what I posted is incorrect or seemingly manipulative why don't you just point it out instead of talking in riddles?

Maybe you need to read more about the DK effect.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

(hint - not just deaths; new infections are going down too)

So you recognise zero opportunity or necessity for cooperation to crush a pressing collective problem.

Of course, you've rigged the question so you win regardless of the truth.

It was ever thus; there are always outliers, contrarians, iconoclasts who pride themselves on their "independence" while being carried by the rest of us.

This is statistically whacky. Last year, there were no vaccines, we had a low infection rate and low death rate around the same time, with lifting restrictions. Then the next wave in the Autumn/Winter was proclaimed. This is a seasonal disease, like the Flu and the common cold, with ups and downs.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Show me ONE credible subject matter expert who has called the mRNA vaccines "gene therapy". This scare-mongering term is clear indication that you don't understand how these vaccines work.
"mob rule", "lackey", "permissible narrative" - all giveaways.

There's always room for disagreement in science. If you had described the situation without these scare words, eg

Does a scientist or a medical professional who risks their reputation and livelihood to stand against the majority of his/her peers have more credence than a representative of those peers repeating their joint conclusions?

... you'd have a proper sense of perspective, and the answer would be obvious. You take in all the expert opinions, and you make a decision.
Laundry-list of bogeymen. Sorry, bogeypersons.

Well, lets start with the inventor of the mRNA Vaccines from the GEN Therapy lab, who calls them what they are.

[Thumbs Up]

I am back to looking at Ivermectin. The peer reviewed "Clinical infectious diseases" is publishing a flawed meta analysis of ivermectin studies showing negative results. I am posting this now because I expect many news outlets to run with this information to continue the smear campaign against existing effective covid treatments. Here are their conclusions:

Conclusions
In comparison to SOC or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or severe AEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab591/6310839

Just like the fraudulent HCQ study that was retracted by The Lancet,

In summary, this multinational, observational, real-world study of patients with COVID-19 requiring hospitalisation found that the use of a regimen containing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (with or without a macrolide) was associated with no evidence of benefit, but instead was associated with an increase in the risk of ventricular arrhythmias and a greater hazard for in-hospital death with COVID-19. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...180-6/fulltext

the results will be widely reported on while the retraction will barely make the news.
Hydroxylchloroquine (HCQ) and Ivermectin (IVM) are being widely and successfully used to save thousands of patients lives who have contracted COVID. You would not know this at all if you only listened to the mainstream agenda curated media. Read the comments on the preprint edition of this article:

To the authors: with millions of lives at stake, you do not want to be on the wrong side of history on this.
The most ethical response considering the extreme importance of the issue is to go beyond just retracting and actually rewrite to conclude IVM by best available evidence does appear to have effectiveness as a treatment for COVID.
Robert Clark
Why hasn't this paper been retracted yet?

They reversed the numbers for the Niaee study which was pivotal to their conclusion.

When you use the correct data, it shows ivermectin works. No surprise
Steve Kirsch

Hi, I'm Dr.Niaee and I was surprised that even basic data from our RCT is completely mispresented and is WRONG. We had 60 individuals in control groups and 120 in intervention groups and even this simple thing is mispresented.https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....21.21257595v1

There is another safe generic repurposed drug that is proving to also be effective called colchicine. You won't hear much about it either on mainstream media. They only promote vaccines and $3000. per dose anti viral treatments.

Here is a good article to read:

Debating Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, and Colchicine https://www.thedesertreview.com/news...df82fa113.html

[CatNewBee]

Don't forget Fluvoxamine, originally an antidepressant, that was used very effectively to early treat brain fogging and defer long covid by disrupting the negative spike proteine effects on the brain, both from C19 and from the vaccines.

IVM was as effective in prevention of an infection as the vaccines when used in 2 single doses within 72h providing protection for 4..6 weeks - proven in several studies. And it is also a treatment after an infection to prevent severe immune responses and hospitalization.

[Sand crab]

Perhaps the mods should just close this thread. We should only allow threads which everyone can agree on like guns, religion, politics, multis, monos and anchors.

[Greg K]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Maybe you need to read more about the DK effect.

I see no merit in the point you're making, Mike. I posted two tables of info based on data directly from NHS, UK and invited readers here to have a look at the data in these tables to come to their own conclusions regarding the mortality of the new Delta variant. Anyone with a grade nine education should be able to look at these tables and come to the same conclusions. No need for any specialist training or education in virology. Simple, basic math is all that's needed.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Maybe you need to read more about the DK effect.

"This study showed that people who performed the lowest at certain tasks, such as judging humor, grammar, and logic, significantly overestimated how good they were at these tasks."

Since you keep bringing it up as a roundabout insult which has nothing to do whatsoever with the discussion (other than your desire to shut it down),

Their studies categorically didn’t show that incompetent people are more confident or arrogant than competent people. What they did show is [that] people in the top quartile for actual performance think they perform better than the people in the second quartile, who in turn think they perform better than the people in the third quartile, and so on. So the bias is definitively not that incompetent people think they’re better than competent people. Rather, it’s that incompetent people think they’re much better than they actually are. But they typically still don’t think they’re quite as good as people who, you know, actually are good. (It’s important to note that Dunning and Kruger never claimed to show that the unskilled think they’re better than the skilled; that’s just the way the finding is often interpreted by others.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

how is it that you think that you yourself escape from being characterized by this Dunning Kreuger defect?

"If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent ... The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is." David Dunning

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

how is it that you think that you yourself escape from being characterized by this Dunning Kreuger defect?

"If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent ... The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is." David Dunning

Now you're catching on. I don't. What I do know is I probably do not understand all the variables and complexities of a given problem or dataset so I know enough to stay away from simplistic statements like, "Simple, basic math is all that's needed."

To be absolutely obtuse, which is apparently what is needed here, competency begins by acknowledging that there are lots of things we don't know that we don't know. That's why expertise is needed and (should be) valued.

It's not that experts are always right -- clearly that is false. But an actual expert in a given field, such as virology, has a far greater understanding of both their unknowns, as well as their unknown-unknowns.

The point about the DK Effect is that people who suffer deeply from it have no concept of their unknown unknowns. This is what is on display here by many of you who blithely dismiss experts in favour of your own "grade nine" level analysis.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

"This study showed that people who performed the lowest at certain tasks, such as judging humor, grammar, and logic, significantly overestimated how good they were at these tasks."

Since you keep bringing it up as a roundabout insult which has nothing to do whatsoever with the discussion (other than your desire to shut it down),

how is it that you think that you yourself escape from being characterized by this Dunning Kreuger defect?

"If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent ... The skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is." David Dunning

The definition of stupidity is someone repeating the same old mantra expecting a different result..
Oh.!!! isn't that the Krieger Dunning effect..

[Mike OReilly]

More anecdotal news:

Yukon seeks federal help to deal with 'widespread community transmission' of COVID-19

Despite having Canada's highest vaccination rate — with more than 60 per cent of all residents fully vaccinated — the territory is dealing with what Hanley has described as its first "true wave" of COVID-19.

...Eighty-two per cent of those cases are in unvaccinated people, Hanley added. Twelve per cent are fully vaccinated, but have mild symptoms, he said.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

That argument is just semantics. Calling a spade a shovel.

No, you're trying to call a spade a diesel excavator. The COVID mRNA vaccines do NOT mess with the recipients' genes, and they don't "fix" some sort of issue with genes. Therefore they can't be any sort of therapy for genes.

Not as scary-sounding as you'd like. Sorry

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

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It's not that experts are always right -- clearly that is false. But an actual expert in a given field, such as virology, has a far greater understanding of both their unknowns, as well as their unknown-unknowns.....

When presented with the opinions and evidence of the respected experts who are challenging the official narratives you guys call foul play every time.

“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth"
Albert Einstein