Covid vaccine after having covid

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Not all antibody tests target the viral protein that the vaccine does, so the antibody test would not measure the antibodies that the vaccine induced.

Further, antibodies are just one of the tools of immunity. There are others like T-cells and B-cells, whose activation cannot easily be tested for.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

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We know who's being pathetic here, with the nonstop vaccine fearmongering (the clinging to "gene therapy" as a scare name; many naturopathic medicines have genes, are they also "gene therapy"?), the absolute fail on stats (34 and 37 deaths - enough for definitive proof of relative mortality? Get real). Pathetic.
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Still with the gene therapy denial? Journal Nature trumps LE. Read it again LE:

both mRNA-based vaccines represent a unique case that is considered one of the most advanced and promising achievements in the field of pharmaceutical biotechnology and biopharmaceutical formulations. More than three decades of research effort on developing gene therapy solutions for many diseases could not convey many healthcare policymakers, pharmaceutical companies, funding agencies, medicine agencies, and drug administrations to adopt gene therapy avenues as highly potential approaches to transfer the therapeutic strategies into a new era. However, these mRNA vaccines, which have been developed and approved within a few months, signify a breakthrough in the field of gene therapy, which has battled to achieve ordinary acknowledgement due to a large number of skeptical and conservative scientists and other claimed safety and translational concerns. Although these two vaccines are not the first approved drugs utilizing genetic materials as active ingredients, they are believed to be a milestone in modern medical history that may forever change pharmaceutical approaches.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41435-021-00136-6

The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines are going to lead to widespread acceptance of gene therapies. Denying that they were gene therapy was a marketing ploy. The cat is out of the bag. Get used to it.

"Our entire much-praised technological progress, and civilization generally, could be compared to an axe in the hand of a pathological criminal."--Albert Einstein

[Montanan]

Reality Check and Notice: To all of those who hesitate or refuse to be vaccinated even though they have access to the vaccines, do realize that you are knowingly effectively causing yourself to be like a Typhoid Mary; and it is totally reasonable for all vaccinated persons to call you and to introduce you by a new deserved name, that be either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol.

And it could evolve that society opts to force all Covid Chuck's and Carols to be isolated from society similarly as to what occurred with Ms. Mary Mallon. In a civilized society people are not allowed to be an endangerment to others, and often not allowed to be an endangerment to themselves.

Choices have consequences, inactions have effects. A choice to not be vaccinated does not need to be condoned by others, and in many instances will not be condoned. To chose to remain unvaccinated is an inaction that is very reckless and hazardous, and therefore, essentially reasonably deemed to be dishonorable, shameful, despicable, deplorable and completely unacceptable.

A bit of relatable historical awareness. Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was an Irish-born cook believed to have infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease, Salmonella typhi. Because she persisted in working as a cook, by which she exposed others to the disease, she was twice forcibly quarantined by authorities, eventually for the final two decades of her life. Mallon died after a total of nearly 30 years in isolation.

One of the major reasons that the COVID pandemic has occurred is that the disease spreads rapidly due to their being unwitting asymptomatic carriers. For asymptomatic carriers it likely not their intentional action to spread the disease to others. Yet if one intentionally opts to not be vaccinated and thus opts to not aid in mitigating their risk of infection, by de facto they intentionally opt to increase their likelihood of causing infection to others. By deliberately choosing to remain unvaccinated, a person has wittingly caused themselves to be at high risk of being a vector of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and deliberately being of major risk to the health, wellbeing and life of others, and to deliberately extend the seriousness and length of the pandemic.

To all who have chosen to be vaccinated, don't hesitate to call out persons [e.g., your friends, family, business associates, neighbors, etc.] who have deliberately chosen to be unvaccinated, by using their deserved name, either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol, and to shun them for your own safety and the safety of those you love. It is a simple and reasonable ask by society for them to cause themselves to be a much lesser endangerment to our society.

Stay safe and aid in keeping others to remain safe.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Still with the gene therapy denial? Journal Nature trumps LE. Read it again LE:

The Pfizer/Moderna vaccines are going to lead to widespread acceptance of gene therapies. Denying that they were gene therapy was a marketing ploy. The cat is out of the bag. Get used to it.

If you were honestly portraying the COVID mRNA vaccines, including acknowledgement that they DO NOT alter or affect the recipients' genes... I wouldn't be objecting. But no, you and your little friends have been mischaracterizing the mRNA vaccines as some sort of diabolical or highly risky genetic assault... you've even incorrectly asserted that they "could" screw with someone's genes... so you're just using the unqualified term "gene therapy" to alarm and deceive people.

In the sense that YOU intend to portray mRNA vaccines, when you call them gene therapy... you're wrong, and deliberately attempting to mislead.

[GordMay]

These days, you don't know how good you have it!
When I hear all the people complaining about the Nanochip, that is implanted with the Covid vaccine, I think about when I was young, and had to swallow a whole 8-track cassette, for the Polio vaccine vacuum tube.

[CatNewBee]

The bullying, misleading and scaremongering is done by ignorants and agitators like you and the mass censorship by the corporate media and internet giants like FB, Twitter, YT, etc.

The only goal is just to inject the experimental stuff in as many people as quickly as possible.

Covid casualties could be far less and C19 could even be just a cold if treared well with existing and proven safe drugs from the beginning.

Fortunately some physicians are not blind and deaf and exchange their findings in the field, despite being silenced and censored. This reduces significantly the severity and the mortality of an infection in their hospitals. They are the real heroes of the pandemic, because they set the patients interests first.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

The misleading and scaremongering is done by ignorants and agitators like you and the mass censorship by the corporate media and internet giants like FB, Twitter, YT, etc.

The only goal is just to inject the experimental stuff in as many people as quickly as possible.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

If you were honestly portraying the COVID mRNA vaccines, including acknowledgement that they DO NOT alter or affect the recipients' genes... I wouldn't be objecting. But no, you and your little friends have been mischaracterizing the mRNA vaccines as some sort of diabolical or highly risky genetic assault... you've even incorrectly asserted that they "could" screw with someone's genes... so you're just using the unqualified term "gene therapy" to alarm and deceive people.

In the sense that YOU intend to portray mRNA vaccines, when you call them gene therapy... you're wrong, and deliberately attempting to mislead.

I am just trying to fight some of the lies with the truth. My main objection (as I stated here a long time ago) is that we are being manipulated and lied too. Gene therapy didn't even have bad connotations before all of this. But it was deemed so by denying that was what it was even though anyone with internet and half a brain could see the lie. Here is more proof from the FDA and NYT:

Gene therapy products are being studied to treat diseases including cancer, genetic diseases, and infectious diseases.
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Plasmid DNA: Circular DNA molecules can be genetically engineered to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...t-gene-therapy

A scientist removes vials of DNA from the master cell bank, the source of every batch of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. The vials are kept at –150°C (–238°F) or below, and contain small rings of DNA called plasmids. ...... Each plasmid contains a coronavirus gene, the genetic instructions for a human cell to build coronavirus proteins and trigger an immune response to the virus. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-vaccine.html

Then there is this from The American Society of Gene+Cell Therapy:

Two COVID-19 vaccine trials, both of which use messenger RNA (or mRNA) technology to teach the body to fight the virus, have reported efficacy over 90 percent.
These findings, announced by Moderna on Nov. 16 and by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech on Nov. 9 (with an update on Nov. 18), demonstrate that gene therapy is a viable strategy for developing vaccines to combat COVID-19. Both vaccine candidates use mRNA to program a person's cells to produce many copies of a fragment of the virus. The fragment then stimulates the immune system to attack if the real virus tries to invade the body.https://asgct.org/research/news/nove...na-nih-vaccine

[CatNewBee]

Mexico has started an interesting approach to provide a drug package for treatement of C19 early when people feel first symptoms and advise to start the therapy instead of waiting for the PCR results. That seems a very promising approach to bring down the spread, severyty and mortality rate in the country.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S...21)00100-4/pdf

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Nice selfy, exactly how I immagined you look like.... [emoji108][emoji106]

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

I am just trying to fight some of the lies with the truth. My main objection (as I stated here a long time ago) is that we are being manipulated and lied [to].

See above.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Reality Check and Notice: To all of those who hesitate or refuse to be vaccinated even though they have access to the vaccines, do realize that you are knowingly effectively causing yourself to be like a Typhoid Mary; and it is totally reasonable for all vaccinated persons to call you and to introduce you by a new deserved name, that be either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol.

And it could evolve that society opts to force all Covid Chuck's and Carols to be isolated from society similarly as to what occurred with Ms. Mary Mallon. In a civilized society people are not allowed to be an endangerment to others, and often not allowed to be an endangerment to themselves.

Choices have consequences, inactions have effects. A choice to not be vaccinated does not need to be condoned by others, and in many instances will not be condoned. To chose to remain unvaccinated is an inaction that is very reckless and hazardous, and therefore, essentially reasonably deemed to be dishonorable, shameful, despicable, deplorable and completely unacceptable.

A bit of relatable historical awareness. Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was an Irish-born cook believed to have infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease, Salmonella typhi. Because she persisted in working as a cook, by which she exposed others to the disease, she was twice forcibly quarantined by authorities, eventually for the final two decades of her life. Mallon died after a total of nearly 30 years in isolation.

One of the major reasons that the COVID pandemic has occurred is that the disease spreads rapidly due to their being unwitting asymptomatic carriers. For asymptomatic carriers it likely not their intentional action to spread the disease to others. Yet if one intentionally opts to not be vaccinated and thus opts to not aid in mitigating their risk of infection, by de facto they intentionally opt to increase their likelihood of causing infection to others. By deliberately choosing to remain unvaccinated, a person has wittingly caused themselves to be at high risk of being a vector of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and deliberately being of major risk to the health, wellbeing and life of others, and to deliberately extend the seriousness and length of the pandemic.

To all who have chosen to be vaccinated, don't hesitate to call out persons [e.g., your friends, family, business associates, neighbors, etc.] who have deliberately chosen to be unvaccinated, by using their deserved name, either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol, and to shun them for your own safety and the safety of those you love. It is a simple and reasonable ask by society for them to cause themselves to be a much lesser endangerment to our society.

Stay safe and aid in keeping others to remain safe.

Montana: You are back at it with the copy-pastitis. You are also playing fast an loose with the insults, especially last night (does not look good on you). Furthermore the vaccinated may pose the higher risk of being a vector. Especially to the unvaccinated. See this:

How the vaccinated may become the next super-spreaders

....people who are vaccinated and fail to understand that they can still be carriers of the virus pose an immediate threat to the unvaccinated. To curb the spread, we need to 1) research the effectiveness of the vaccine in reducing community transmission; 2) invest in mucosal vaccines that elicit more targeted immune responses in the nasal mucosa; and, 3) educate people who are getting vaccines about how they may still be carriers of the virus. https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2021/01...spreaders.html

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

... the vaccinated may pose the higher risk of being a vector. Especially to the unvaccinated.

Uh, mainly to the unvaccinated. As demonstrated in Australia, the unvaccinated are much more likely to catch COVID when exposed to it. So the more vaccinated, the lower the overall risk to EVERYBODY. Even factoring in the very low (but not zero) risk from vaccination itself.

Unless you are ok with more lockdowns, travel restrictions, vaccine passports, etc.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

The bullying, misleading and scaremongering is done by ignorants and agitators like you and the mass censorship by the corporate media and internet giants like FB, Twitter, YT, etc.

The only goal is just to inject the experimental stuff in as many people as quickly as possible.

Covid casualties could be far less and C19 could even be just a cold if treared well with existing and proven safe drugs from the beginning.

These are just bold-faced lies. I don't care what opinions you have, but I draw the line at lying.

[dwedeking2]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Reality Check and Notice: To all of those who hesitate or refuse to be vaccinated even though they have access to the vaccines, do realize that you are knowingly effectively causing yourself to be like a Typhoid Mary; and it is totally reasonable for all vaccinated persons to call you and to introduce you by a new deserved name, that be either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol.



And it could evolve that society opts to force all Covid Chuck's and Carols to be isolated from society similarly as to what occurred with Ms. Mary Mallon. In a civilized society people are not allowed to be an endangerment to others, and often not allowed to be an endangerment to themselves.



Choices have consequences, inactions have effects. A choice to not be vaccinated does not need to be condoned by others, and in many instances will not be condoned. To chose to remain unvaccinated is an inaction that is very reckless and hazardous, and therefore, essentially reasonably deemed to be dishonorable, shameful, despicable, deplorable and completely unacceptable.



A bit of relatable historical awareness. Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), also known as Typhoid Mary, was an Irish-born cook believed to have infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease, Salmonella typhi. Because she persisted in working as a cook, by which she exposed others to the disease, she was twice forcibly quarantined by authorities, eventually for the final two decades of her life. Mallon died after a total of nearly 30 years in isolation.



One of the major reasons that the COVID pandemic has occurred is that the disease spreads rapidly due to their being unwitting asymptomatic carriers. For asymptomatic carriers it likely not their intentional action to spread the disease to others. Yet if one intentionally opts to not be vaccinated and thus opts to not aid in mitigating their risk of infection, by de facto they intentionally opt to increase their likelihood of causing infection to others. By deliberately choosing to remain unvaccinated, a person has wittingly caused themselves to be at high risk of being a vector of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and deliberately being of major risk to the health, wellbeing and life of others, and to deliberately extend the seriousness and length of the pandemic.



To all who have chosen to be vaccinated, don't hesitate to call out persons [e.g., your friends, family, business associates, neighbors, etc.] who have deliberately chosen to be unvaccinated, by using their deserved name, either Covid Chuck or Covid Carol, and to shun them for your own safety and the safety of those you love. It is a simple and reasonable ask by society for them to cause themselves to be a much lesser endangerment to our society.



Stay safe and aid in keeping others to remain safe.

Real life seems to be different than this. Hardly anyone is talking about covid or caring. Periodically you'll see someone with a mask. Masks are only used in ubers and lifts and thats starting to become periodic as well.

I'm ok with isolation though. If I didn't need to work and periodically stock up on food I'd not go to shore.