Covid vaccine after having covid

[Thumbs Up]

How Real Science became Fake News (from Scienceblog.com):

Make no mistake about it: The “fake news” campaign is not about protecting the public from lies; rather it is about establishing a state-sanctioned news network, which has been a central pillar for the stability of every totalitarian regime in history. Despotic leaders can only remain in power by hiding the truth of what they are doing from the people they govern. Conversely, there can be no meaningful democracy if there is only one source of centrally-managed information.https://experimentalfrontiers.scienc...ame-fake-news/

The fact is that our top scientists over the decades and what they say get completely ignored. Here is one of them, Kary Mullis:https://www.bitchute.com/embed/Dg0XFFaDyjEC/

The title is Kary Mullis Ultimate Compilation of His Best Clips and Interviews - Is This Why They Killed Him? This link works better:https://brandnewtube.com/watch/kary-...GT6vTHXMk.html

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Quote:
Make no mistake about it: The “fake news” campaign is not about protecting the public from lies; rather it is about establishing a state-sanctioned news network, which has been a central pillar for the stability of every totalitarian regime in history. Despotic leaders can only remain in power by hiding the truth of what they are doing from the people they govern. Conversely, there can be no meaningful democracy if there is only one source of centrally-managed information.https://experimentalfrontiers.scienc...ame-fake-news/

Once again, complete and utter BS. This is taken from some personal blog site that attempts to critique a Harvard Magazine story: Can Disinformation be Stopped?

Here is the so-called critique's premise:

This month, the cover story of Harvard Magazine was written by a young staff writer with no scientific background. The title poses the question, “Can Disinformation be Stopped?”, while ignoring important preliminary questions, “Should disinformation be stopped?” and “How can we tell disinformation from information?” and “Whom can we trust with the awesome responsibility of discerning truth from falsehood?” The three examples of “disinformation” cited on the cover are nothing of the sort, and in fact are topics where questioning points to deep sources of corruption, which the Powers that Be are most desperate to suppress. 1. “Election in question: were votes stolen?” 2. “Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for COVID-19” 3. “5G Networks Spread Coronavirus”

[El Pinguino]

Some may consider this a worthwhile read.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...ving-in-the-uk

Our prime muppet has been cherry picking from the UK stats to cover up his own incompetence.

[boatman61]

Well.. so much for the much vaunted, loudly trumpeted EU Covid-19 Double Jab Freedom Pass..
Travellers from Portugal to Germany with the 'Freedom Pass' will be required to Quarantine for 10 days at their own expense on arrival.
May as well have skipped the shots and stayed with the stick up the nose..
Politicians, EUFA officials and wealthy businessmen are exempt..
Who'da thunk it..

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by dwedeking2

Real life seems to be different than this. Hardly anyone is talking about covid or caring. Periodically you'll see someone with a mask. Masks are only used in ubers and lifts and thats starting to become periodic as well.

It depends where you are. But yes there's fatigue with the COVID restrictions in most places. Where vaccination levels aren't especially high, yet measures are being relaxed, there remains a possibility of another wave from the more contagious Delta variant. Whether this happens... and whether authorities choose to react once again, or to just weather it, as long as their healthcare system is no longer in danger of collapsing...who knows?

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Once again, complete and utter BS. This is taken from some personal blog site that attempts to critique a Harvard Magazine story: Can Disinformation be Stopped?

Here is the so-called critique's premise:

Is it a disreputable source? Did you find any disreputable links that I post as you claim. I hope that you are watching the Kary Mullis video I posted. He did win a Nobel prize you know. As did Luc Montagnier, Why should they be ignored? Who are our top scientists that we should be listening to? What about Dr. Peter Doshi, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr Robert Malone, or Dr. Byram Bridle to name a few. Are the not reputable? Where is the debate? I'm going to finish watching this video now:https://brandnewtube.com/watch/kary-...GT6vTHXMk.html
You all should watch it. It is very relevant.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Once again, complete and utter BS. This is taken from some personal blog site that attempts to critique a Harvard Magazine story: Can Disinformation be Stopped?

Here is the so-called critique's premise:...

Now Mike, you know very well that when our friends shout about "fake news" and biased media, they are essentially correct. The only part they don't get is that they have been the intended and unwitting consumers of fake news and misinformation, produced deliberately to further an obvious political agenda of creating and sustaining divisions, and eroding trust in the sources of generally reliable information like the scientific or medical establishments.

[Montanan]

U.S Surgeon General Dr Vivek Murthy issued a waring about the Delta variant in particular, and raised the specter of a future strain of COVID that could beat all vaccines currently available.

'The good news is that if you're vaccinated, and fully vaccinated, that means two weeks after your last shot, then there is good evidence that you have a high degree of protection against this virus." 'But if you are not vaccinated then you are in trouble. This is a serious threat and we're seeing it spread among unvaccinated people.' 'If you are fully vaccinated your chances of getting sick and transmitting the infection is low." Yet, 'Nothing is 100 per cent though.' 'We cant guarantee that that will always be the case with new variants that arise down the line. That is why we must work so hard to crush the virus here and abroad.'

'The key message from Delta is get vaccinated. its the best way to protect yourself from this variant and other variants you've seen before.'

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Now Mike, you know very well that when our friends shout about "fake news" and biased media, they are essentially correct. The only part they don't get is that they have been the intended and unwitting consumers of fake news and misinformation, produced deliberately to further an obvious political agenda of creating and sustaining divisions, and eroding trust in the sources of generally reliable information like the scientific or medical establishments.

Don't wax political on my account, I don't listen to either side and Mike is a libertarian. Lies are lies no matter who is telling them.

[Montanan]

Consistent with the WHO recommendations, a Los Angeles County Department of Health spokesman stopped short of reimplementing a mask mandate which California's governor eased on June 15th. Stating: 'Public Health strongly recommends people wear masks indoors in settings such as grocery or retail stores; theaters and family entertainment centers, and workplaces when you don't know everyone's vaccination status.' 'Until we better understand how and to who the Delta variant is spreading, everyone should focus on maximum protection with minimum interruption to routine as all businesses operate without other restrictions, like physical distancing and capacity limits."

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Now Mike, you know very well that when our friends shout about "fake news" and biased media, they are essentially correct. The only part they don't get is that they have been the intended and unwitting consumers of fake news and misinformation, produced deliberately to further an obvious political agenda of creating and sustaining divisions, and eroding trust in the sources of generally reliable information like the scientific or medical establishments.

Yes... All part of the DK Effect mentioned earlier. And it would be oh-so-amusing if it didn't have real-world consequences measured in prolonged lockdowns, Covid-19 spread, support of variant evolution, and completely preventable mortality and morbidity.

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Is it a disreputable source? Did you find any disreputable links that I post as you claim.

Yes... it's in the quote I took from your disreputable site. It discredits itself by stating demonstrable falsehoods as true:

The three examples of “disinformation” cited on the cover are nothing of the sort, and in fact are topics where questioning points to deep sources of corruption, which the Powers that Be are most desperate to suppress. 1. “Election in question: were votes stolen?” 2. “Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for COVID-19” 3. “5G Networks Spread Coronavirus”

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Don't wax political on my account, I don't listen to either side and Mike is a libertarian. Lies are lies no matter who is telling them.

According to the tests I'm a Libertarian Socialist. I swing both ways .

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

The three examples of “disinformation” cited on the cover are nothing of the sort, and in fact are topics where questioning points to deep sources of corruption, which the Powers that Be are most desperate to suppress. 1. “Election in question: were votes stolen?” 2. “Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for COVID-19” 3. “5G Networks Spread Coronavirus”

The article is not asserting these things, it is describing them as topics that the "Powers that Be are most desperate to suppress" in that there is a plethora of misinformation in the media surrounding these ideas. In the name of not wanting to create a panic our information is filtered on a daily basis (or we are just succumbing to authoritatianism).
Are there valid points surrounding these topics? Yes. Are we allowed to discuss them? No way. Is HCQ an effective Covid treatment? Yes it is. Can cellular signals cause bodily harm? Yes they can? Have there been problems with voting equipment? Yes there have. Have we been promised free speech? Yes we have. Who is deciding what is appropriate for us to see and hear? It should be us.

Last year, the idea that COVID arose in a laboratory was fake news. Now it’s mainstream science, so long as you blame COVID on lax safety standards at Chinese laboratories. Questioning the bioweapons research at Fort Detrick and nine other American Biosafety Level 4 labs is still verboten in the public discourse. Moreover, the idea that COVID might have been deliberately released is nowhere mentioned, despite all the simulations and preparedness exercises that seemed to foretell the future with their focus on Coronaviruses of Chinese origin.https://experimentalfrontiers.scienc...ame-fake-news/

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

How Real Science became Fake News (from Scienceblog.com):


The fact is that our top scientists over the decades and what they say get completely ignored. Here is one of them, Kary Mullis:https://www.bitchute.com/embed/Dg0XFFaDyjEC/

The title is Kary Mullis Ultimate Compilation of His Best Clips and Interviews - Is This Why They Killed Him? This link works better:https://brandnewtube.com/watch/kary-...GT6vTHXMk.html

Thanks for this gem. Really enjoyed the interviews.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

The article is not asserting these things, it is describing them as topics that the "Powers that Be are most desperate to suppress" in that there is a plethora of misinformation in the media surrounding these ideas. Are there valid points surrounding these topics? Yes. NO ... not in any serious or substantive way.

Who are the "powers that be"? This is straight out of Paranoid Conspiracy-101.

1. “Election in question: were votes stolen?”
Of course, this is intentionally misleading. Some fraud occurs in almost every election. By every measure it amounts to an insignificant amount. So the meaningful question is not "were votes stolen," but whether an election was compromised.

2. “Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for COVID-19”
Not as far as current research has shown.

3. “5G Networks Spread Coronavirus”
Complete BS. If the question was, as you skillfully rephrase it, "Can cellular signals cause bodily harm?", of course the answer is yes. But that's not the intention of how this 5G statement is made.

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Are we allowed to discuss them? No way.

So what are you doing? Of course you can discuss them. Just like you're free to discuss why the Earth is flat, that the FBI killed Kennedy, and 9/11 was a false flag event.

These kinds of ridiculous ideas have always festered in the minds of a few. But now thanks to the Internet's power to sort and segregate people into their own self-selected information silos, we have these false claims magnified and their disciples emboldened.

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Who is deciding what is appropriate for us to see and hear? It should be us.

It is us . This isn't a totalitarian state (yet). No one is locking you up for saying ridiculous things like the above. Again, this 'poor me' victimization is all part of the standard playbook of conspiracy theories. You're well-read enough to know this.

Try reading some credible sources. Try listening to the majority of thinkers in a given area, not just the fringe or outliers. The experts are not always right, but they are more often correct than the outliers.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

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2. “Hydroxychloroquine is the cure for COVID-19”
Not as far as current research has shown.
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Perhaps not a cure but very worthy of discussion because it is being used and is extremely successful in the early stage treatment of Covid19. The rest of it I will let go (for now). Let's talk HCQ. You say:

These kinds of ridiculous ideas have always festered in the minds of a few. But now thanks to the Internet's power to sort and segregate people into their own self-selected information silos, we have these false claims magnified and their disciples emboldened.

You are right about the part I have highlighted in red. Is HCQ an effective treatment? You say no. Cite some reputable sources. Are there (unretracted) studies showing that it is not effective? Just because they threaten doctors who prescribe it in Canada does not make it so. You have been told not to do the homework and actually look it up. Maybe you missed the retraction notice. Maybe you have been fooled. HCQ works and Ivermectin works even better. Prove me wrong.