Covid vaccine after having covid

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Try reading some credible sources. Try listening to the majority of thinkers in a given area, not just the fringe or outliers. The experts are not always right, but they are more often correct than the outliers.

I have listed more credible sources here in the last six months than you ever have (You can't prove that wrong either). Mainstream media can all be grouped as one source because they they have all agreed to say the same thing (how is that not considered the real echo chamber?). Who should decide who these experts that get their voices heard are supposed to be? I have listed six and two of them have Nobel prizes. They are all blacklisted. Who decides? The Media? Who owns the media? Oh I see, a few corporations have bought most of the media. The government? Sorry, it looks like they got bought out too. Why would they suppress existing effective Covid treatment? A clause in the emergency use authorization for the vaccine requires that there be no effective existing treatment, that's why. It is all a big charade. Tell me, who are our best scientists? Why do the media stories only quote low level doctors? Should they not be quoting top experts? Are there any?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Perhaps not a cure but very worthy of discussion because it is being used and is extremely successful in the early stage treatment of Covid19. The rest of it I will let go (for now).

I'm not invested in hydroxychloroquine as you seem to be. But a cursory scan through Pubmed suggests its efficacy remains unproven. Here's just one of the most recent papers:
Assessing the efficacy and safety of hydroxychloroquine as outpatient treatment of COVID-19: a randomized controlled trial

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Is HCQ an effective treatment? You say no.

NO. I did not say "no." I said: "Not as far as current research has shown." If the research findings change, then so will my views.

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Cite some reputable sources. Are there (unretracted) studies showing that it is not effective?

Yes, plenty! That's the point. Go do a Pubmed search for "Hydroxychloroquine covid efficacy". You'll get the same list I just did.

Here's a conclusion from another of the recent studies listed. I could go on...

The adverse events in patients with COVID-19 treated with antimalarials were similar to those who did not receive antimalarials at institutions with rigorous pharmacological surveillance. However, they do not improve survival in patients who receive optimal medical care.

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Just because they threaten doctors who prescribe it in Canada does not make it so. You have been told not to do the homework and actually look it up. Maybe you missed the retraction notice. Maybe you have been fooled. HCQ works and Ivermectin works even better. Prove me wrong.

And there's that paranoid victimization again. No one is "threatening doctors." The governing bodies in Canada are guided by science. If a physician is found to be prescribing off-label, as it is called, there can be repercussions, but those are exceedingly rare. I know of no Canadian physician that has faced disciplinary action, but if they are prescribing a drug whose use is not supported by research, then they will be told to stop.

[Shanachie]

Have you noticed that the wacko anti-vaxxers posting on this thread all own catamarans? Conspiracy! Personally, I think the charter companies implanted 5G chips on their boats so that they could control the thoughts of future owners.


Now that covid has hit and the charter companies are losing cockpits full of money, they've activated the chips to spread the word that covid is not real and that people can start chartering again.


Prove me wrong! Haven't read anything about this? Of course. The MSM is all controlled by big business.



I know all of this because I read it on an obscure blog that provides all of the real info, even though it is written by an unemployed 45-year-old who lives with his mother.


Also, I believe that uneducated people can discover the truth much more quickly than people who clutter their lives by studying one subject in great detail. All you need is a web browser. It's ninth-grade math!

[Montanan]

Last weeks World Health Organization recommended that fully vaccinated people continue to wear masks as variants circulate.

"Vaccine alone won't stop the community transmission," Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant-director general for access to medicines and health products, said at a press conference. "People need to continue to use masks consistently, be in ventilated spaces – hand hygiene, respiratory etiquette ... the physical distance, avoid crowding. This still continues to be extremely important, even if you're vaccinated when you have a community transmission ongoing."

1) Vaccinated persons can still become infected but seemingly at a lower likelihood and as to degree of contagiousness, but likely to be asymptomatic because the vaccine inhibits the potential of developing severe symptoms. The purpose is to reduce rate of community spread particularly to the unvaccinated.

2) If vaccinated persons continue to practice the Covid safety protocols that will encourage the unvaccinated persons to also follow safety protocols. The unvaccinated persons are much more likely to become infected and to have adverse results of infection. It is about supporting a safe culture.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

...... I know of no Canadian physician that has faced disciplinary action, but if they are prescribing a drug whose use is not supported by research, then they will be told to stop.

Dr. Francis Christian Published this statement on June 17:https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploa...-Christian.pdf
June 23:

Surgeon fired by College of Medicine for voicing safety concerns about Covid shots for childrenhttps://www.jccf.ca/surgeon-fired-by...-for-children/

Dr. Christian says there is a large, growing “network of ethical, moral physicians and scientists” who are urging caution in recommending vaccines for all children without informed consent. He said, physicians must “always put their patients and humanity first.”

If this large network exists,(and it does), are the all a bunch of quacks or is the concern legitimate?

[CatNewBee]

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/covid...zlGbGYNn9.html

Maybe you enjoy this too...

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Shanachie

The MSM is all controlled by big business.....

This is correct.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Shanachie

Have you noticed that the wacko anti-vaxxers posting on this thread all own catamarans? Conspiracy! Personally, I think the charter companies implanted 5G chips on their boats so that they could control the thoughts of future owners.

Now that covid has hit and the charter companies are losing cockpits full of money, they've activated the chips to spread the word that covid is not real and that people can start chartering again.

For the record, that's only with condomarans; we chartered a monohull and it was all smiles and winks, secret handshakes, and promises to meet up as soon as complete world domination had been secured.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

For the record, that's only with condomarans; we chartered a monohull and it was all smiles and winks, secret handshakes, and promises to meet up as soon as complete world domination had been secured.

I've owned 14 monohulls and can attest to the fact that folks who only charter generally know SFA..

[Shanachie]

It's called parody, boatman61.

[Montanan]

Well dog got it!

Two studies to be presented in an online medical conference next week reveal dogs and cats are catching the illness from their owners more often than thought, with felines facing greater risks than canines.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/easily-pe...160003803.html

Despite lingering unknowns, the studies found no evidence of pet to human coronavirus transmission, easing some discomfort about the potential for more animal spillovers. “If you have COVID-19, you should avoid contact with your cat or dog, just as you would do with other people,” Dr. Els Broens, co-author of one of the studies and director of the Veterinary Microbiological Diagnostic Center at Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said in a statement. “The main concern, however, is not the animals’ health — they had no or mild symptoms of COVID-19 — but the potential risk that pets could act as a reservoir of the virus and reintroduce it into the human population.” “Fortunately, to date no pet-to-human transmission has been reported,” Broens added. “So, despite the rather high prevalence among pets from COVID-19 positive households in this study, it seems unlikely that pets play a role in the pandemic.”

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Shanachie

It's called parody, boatman61.

Here we go again.. accepting the allies sarcasms , but incapable of recognising the same in someone else..
But I am grateful for your attempts at my education..

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'm not invested in hydroxychloroquine as you seem to be. I'm not. I have followed Ivermectin closely which is effective in all stages of the disease and as a prophylactic. I am simply using HCQ to prove my point But a cursory scan through Pubmed suggests its efficacy remains unproven.
... I said: "Not as far as current research has shown." If the research findings change, then so will my views.
Yes, plenty! That's the point. Go do a Pubmed search for "Hydroxychloroquine covid efficacy". I did. There are 462 results, mostly positive https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?ter...covid+efficacy You'll get the same list I just did.

There are some late stage studies and studies using excessive dosage that show negative results. All early treatment studies showed positive results. There are very successful oral multidrug treatment protocols being utilized with excellent results. Look up Dr. Peter McCullough. There are 261 studies linked here with included meta analyses:https://hcqmeta.com/#fig_fpearly
Here are additional links to a few of the studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/
https://link.springer.com/content/pd...20-00432-w.pdf
https://www.journalajmah.com/index.p...ew/30224/56706
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...093v1.full.pdf
https://icjournal.org/Synapse/Data/P.../ic-52-396.pdf
https://academic.oup.com/biomedgeron.../3/e19/5879759
https://link.springer.com/content/pd...020-1782-1.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...24857920300996
https://watermark.silverchair.com/mj...xyvv7HD6sfpHN2
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tment_outcomes
All HCQ studies can be accessed with the first link.
Even on PubMed there are mostly positive studies and articles linked. It might be time to think about changing your views on the subject.

[boatman61]

Blood Cancer UK is alerting folks suffering from the various blood cancers to continue to live very cautiously as the Covid vaccines have a much reduced to barely any efficacy in their cases.
This is regardless of whether they have begun treatment or not, the risks are pretty much the same.

[Montanan]

What the Unvaccinated Are Telling a Public Health Care Outreach Worker in One of America’s Least Vaccinated States [Wyoming]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wh...?ocid=msedgntp