Covid vaccines: risk vs benefit alarming news

[GordMay]

“How good is the AstraZeneca vaccine – and is it really safe? 5 questions answered” ~ by Maureen Ferran

This excellent article provides many links to primary sources of information.
➥ https://theconversation.com/how-good...nswered-157562


See also ➥ https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3371340

And ➥ https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3371288

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Searles

We are doing ok in oz and nz. ,maybe we just care .⛵️⚓️

I think this is the biggest determining factor in how societies have fared. More precisely, societies that can work together collectively (either by choice, by predisposition, or through coercion) can face collective threats like this better than those who take a more individualistic approach.

[Montanan]

Minnesota has identified 89 "breakthrough" cases of COVID-19 in which people contracted the infectious disease after being fully vaccinated.

None of these cases are among Minnesota's 6,798 COVID-19 deaths, including nine deaths reported Wednesday, and doctors said even those that were hospitalized had milder illness. While he didn't have trend data yet, Dr. Andrew Olson said, "It's more than an anecdotal observation at this point" that the breakthrough cases treated at M Health Fairview hospitals in the Twin Cities area have had better outcomes.

The state on Wednesday reported that 1,454,834 people have received COVID-19 vaccine and 862,955 of them have completed the series by receiving two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's version.

State infectious disease director Kris Ehresmann said the fraction of fully vaccinated people who contracted breakthrough infections was expected, even with clinical trials suggesting the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 95% effective.

"We should not be fooled into seeing such a case as a reason to doubt the vaccine effectiveness," she said. "Remember, a 95% effective vaccine still means we could expect to see infections in around five of every 100 people who get the vaccine."

The state is nonetheless conducting a review of the cases to see if they have anything in common, Ehresmann said. A cluster of cases vaccinated at the same site could suggest a handling problem with the vaccine, or that a specific lot was tainted.

State health officials interviewed 72 of the 89 patients and found that 30 had symptomatic COVID-19.

[DomPerignon]

[QUOTE=Paul L;3371980]Probably not what you were looking for, but here's the Titanic passenger list[/QUOTE

That’s what we can call evidence.
Now all vaxers and propagandists out there can you step up to the plate with any evidence ?

PS: I am sorry if I don’t sound nice but I am not here looking for a date .

[sv_pelagia]

At least here in Canada, such a list would be illegal, due to privacy reasons. And tasteless/unethical without family approval.

But that clearly wouldn't concern Mr/Ms Champagne....

[DomPerignon]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

At least here in Canada, such a list would be illegal, due to privacy reasons. And tasteless/unethical without family approval.

But that clearly wouldn't concern Mr/Ms Champagne....

The only thing concerning me is having a needle forced in my arm and an unknown substance injected into me against my will.

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by DomPerignon

The only thing concerning me is having a needle forced in my arm and an unknown substance injected into me against my will.

Because the above post is so foolish andutterly ridiculous, and since I have a little time on my dinner is cooking let's put those same dumb thoughts into boating terms.

" I only believe the red buoys because the green buoys are fake navigation news"

" Reports of gales? Clearly that's false, it's just big media trying to control me, I'm taking my boat out anyway"

" No wake zone? The government's trying to take away my freedoms!"

Anybody have any others?

[akopac]

DomPerignon... My advice would be to go sailing or seek therapy. You’ve spent way to much time dwelling on COVID 19 vaccines. What the heck. If you get vaccinated you can get a Krispy Kreme every day of the year if it makes you feel any better. Rewards for being a part of the solution and not part of the problem.
I hate whining about whiners,...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ie/4750302001/

[dfelsent]

Originally Posted by DomPerignon

The only thing concerning me is having a needle forced in my arm and an unknown substance injected into me against my will.

It’s no more an unknown substance than all of your other vaccinations, or any medications you take, or lotions you rub into your skin.

[akopac]

Originally Posted by dfelsent

It’s no more an unknown substance than all of your other vaccinations, or any medications you take, or lotions you rub into your skin.

So true.[emoji106]
But it’s one more thing for people to whine about... LoL

[sagablu]

Originally Posted by dfelsent

It’s no more an unknown substance than all of your other vaccinations, or any medications you take, or lotions you rub into your skin.

True but not exactly accurate. Vaccine is a drug, tightly regulated and every ingredient and the manufacturing process must be disclosed to the FDA or it's equivalent in other countries. Cosmetics and similar are really not regulated. Example, when you see fragrance on a bottle of lotion it could mean a lot of different things.

[DomPerignon]

I’m beginning to feel panick in the propagandists camp !
Boy are we gone have fun in the next few months

[UFO]

Originally Posted by akopac

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ie/4750302001/

Hmmmm.... Obesity is a major factor of Covid death as well as a multitude of other illnesses - Seems like the one hand is take the vaccine and be safe, whilst the other is sticking a dagger in your back.


Are people really this shallow to be swung by a free doughnut a day?

[UFO]

Originally Posted by sagablu

True but not exactly accurate. Vaccine is a drug, tightly regulated and every ingredient and the manufacturing process must be disclosed to the FDA or it's equivalent in other countries. Cosmetics and similar are really not regulated. Example, when you see fragrance on a bottle of lotion it could mean a lot of different things.

For the True definition of Vaccine most of them are simply NOT vaccines for Covid.

[DomPerignon]

Originally Posted by akopac

DomPerignon... My advice would be to go sailing or seek therapy. You’ve spent way to much time dwelling on COVID 19 vaccines. What the heck. If you get vaccinated you can get a Krispy Kreme every day of the year if it makes you feel any better. Rewards for being a part of the solution and not part of the problem.
I hate whining about whiners,...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ie/4750302001/

You can take your Krispy Kreme donut and .............well.......whatever.