Covid vaccines: risk vs benefit alarming news

[GordMay]

Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine: the facts

Scientists widely agree that the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine is safe and effective. Its low price, and stability at moderate temperatures, mean that it could protect large swathes of the world’s population from COVID-19.

But confusing early trial data, lingering questions about the latest trial results and concerns over potential rare side effects have eroded confidence in the jab.

Nature looks at the efficacy and safety of the vaccine, how well it works in older people, the optimal timing of doses, how it performs against variants and the impact of this week’s confusion.

“What scientists do and don’t know about the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID vaccine” ~ by Smriti Mallapaty & Ewen Callaway
➥ https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...0b487-45020405

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

Stooping to LE levels. Yes autism and all kinds of autoimmune diseases, cancers, and toxin diseases. Have never seen you lay out evidence. (Just lame links) Have asked multiple times. Anybody who looks into the issue with open eyes can see the problem. You keep quoting the CDC. Are you a propagandist?
I hear they got a lot of PR budget. Do you get paid to spew out your repetitive drivel?

Not even worth responding to this utter garbage; except to say look up the ACTUAL RESEARCH. Not your cherry-picked garbage that you are fed in your little bunker of an information silo.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by UFO

I know 3 children with Autism and all 3 will need some form of care/support for the rest of their lives.

We all need some sort of support and care, especially as we get older.

But no, I take back my claim. When I search I can only find references to the lack of studies into the long-term needs of ASD people as they age. According this Autism support site: "Few high-quality studies address long-term prognosis." It's clear it's all over the map.

The one reference to a study I found states:

A 2004 British study of 68 adults who were diagnosed before 1980 as autistic children with IQ above 50 found that 12% achieved a high level of independence as adults, 10% had some friends and were generally in work but required some support, 19% had some independence but were generally living at home and needed considerable support and supervision in daily living, 46% needed specialist residential provision from facilities specializing in Autism Spectrum Disorder with a high level of support and very limited autonomy, and 12% needed high-level hospital care.

So while a significant number are seen to move out of the need for constant care, most will need some to significant support. So you are correct on this.

Still has nothing to do with vaccines, nor is it diagnosed anywhere near a rate of 10%.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Still [ASD] has nothing to do with vaccines, nor is it diagnosed anywhere near a rate of 10%.

Worldwide, roughly one in 160 [rate of 0.625%] children has an autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
It may be closer to 1%, in the USA.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Why is it so hard for folks like you to understand the basic concept. Public health measures are not there to protect you. They are there to protect your neighbour. In doing so, you also get protection.

As they say, you can't fix "thickheaded".

So let my neighbor take my shots.

This is a very stupid framing by the media like the mask.
Seems the new Vaccines block part of the brain too. Of course all vaccines are there to protect the individual vaccinated from a disease and nobody else.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Worldwide, roughly one in 160 [rate of 0.625%] children has an autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
It may be closer to 1%, in the USA.

Yes, studies are showing that the rate of ASD is rising. Recent work indicates a 10% increase in the rate over the past. I assume this is where Westcliffe01 got his number. As I know you know, a 10% increase in a rate is not the same as a 10% rate.

As to why it's on the increase remains unclear. There are lots of hypothesis, including simple improved detection and diagnosis. But most researchers find there is something more going on.

Vaccines have been ruled out through extensive research. The prevalence in boys over girls suggests a genetic component. Some research shows a correlation of prevalence to older parents. I'm unaware of any other Socio-economic correlations.

From the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke:

What causes ASD?

Scientists believe that both genetics and environment likely play a role in ASD. There is great concern that rates of autism have been increasing in recent decades without full explanation as to why. Researchers have identified a number of genes associated with the disorder. Imaging studies of people with ASD have found differences in the development of several regions of the brain. Studies suggest that ASD could be a result of disruptions in normal brain growth very early in development. These disruptions may be the result of defects in genes that control brain development and regulate how brain cells communicate with each other. Autism is more common in children born prematurely. Environmental factors may also play a role in gene function and development, but no specific environmental causes have yet been identified. The theory that parental practices are responsible for ASD has long been disproved. Multiple studies have shown that vaccination to prevent childhood infectious diseases does not increase the risk of autism in the population.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

So let my neighbor take my shots.

Yes... you would rather be a free-rider and let someone else carry your burden rather than shoulder your own responsibility. We see it all the time in society, and indeed, it seems to be part of a normal distribution of humans.

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

This is a very stupid framing by the media like the mask.
Seems the new Vaccines block part of the brain too. Of course all vaccines are there to protect the individual vaccinated from a disease and nobody else.

A fine example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yes... you would rather be a free-rider and let someone else carry your burden rather than shoulder your own responsibility. We see it all the time in society, and indeed, it seems to be part of a normal distribution of humans.



A fine example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

There is no FREE RIDER. I get the risk having the disease and let my own immune system deal with it, even risking to die from it, what is the free ride here? And donating my dose to someome else is a very noble gesture.

Being vaccinated does not mean, you can't get it or can't spread it, it just means, YOUR organism knows the thread and can cope with it better, because it doesn't need to learn by try and error how to fight it. Nothing more, nothing less. Vaccinated people are the same thread to others than not vaccinated.

Not seeing the obvious looks to me like parroting the media and not using your brain. Vaccines are no magic.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Not even worth responding to this utter garbage; except to say look up the ACTUAL RESEARCH. Not your cherry-picked garbage that you are fed in your little bunker of an information silo.

Hi Mike:

So you too are getting tired of feeding the trolls, eh.

Recommended guidance.

Proverbs 26:4 New Living Translation

Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

All the best.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Hi Mike:

So you too are getting tired of feeding the trolls, eh.

Recommended guidance.

Proverbs 26:4 New Living Translation

Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

All the best.

Yes, I am... And thanks for reminding me Montanan. I'll take your sound advice.

I think it was Mark Twain who put it best:

“Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

So let my neighbor take my shots.

This is a very stupid framing by the media like the mask.
Seems the new Vaccines block part of the brain too. Of course all vaccines are there to protect the individual vaccinated from a disease and nobody else.

For a 14th century attitude there is a 14th century solution.

"...A sanitary cordon—not to be broken on pain of death—was imposed by armed guards along transit routes and at access points to cities. Implementation of these measures required rapid, firm action by authorities, including prompt mobilization of repressive police forces. A rigid separation between healthy and infected persons was initially accomplished through the use of makeshift camps..."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559034/

[CatNewBee]

Autoritarian, faschist regimes. What to expect else? Some people like big state, mandates and slavery and feel entitled to impose their opinions on others by laws, opressions and any other means. This is how Nazi Germany started, how east germany and the east block was governed, and how the EU is turning with each new law against their population.

The terror attacks were used for a power grab, the attacks on the middle east and the induced refugee crisis was the next step, the green deals and global warming measures, financial crisis, bail out of the eastern countries to get them under control and undermine their democratic process,now covid and vaccines. With every act, there is sugarcane (crisis funds and finance support by new debts) and sticks (censorship of media, hate speech laws, mass surveillance, wrecking the local bank system, supressing referendum results, depriving people of rights).

There are always predators and victims, and the predators always claim noble motives for the greater good. No wonder the vaccine proponents ask for mandatory vaccinations and the big state, they like dictatorship states and are part of the problem.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Autoritarian, faschist regimes. What to expect else? Some people like big state, mandates and slavery and feel entitled to impose their opinions on others by laws, opressions and any other means. This is how Nazi Germany started, how east germany and the east block was governed, and how the EU is turning with each new law against their population.

The terror attacks were used for a power grab, the attacks on the middle east and the induced refugee crisis was the next step, the green deals and global warming measures, financial crisis, bail out of the eastern countries to get them under control and undermine their democratic process,now covid and vaccines. With every act, there is sugarcane (crisis funds and finance support by new debts) and sticks (censorship of media, hate speech laws, mass surveillance, wrecking the local bank system, supressing referendum results, depriving people of rights).

There are always predators and victims, and the predators always claim noble motives for the greater good. No wonder the vaccine proponents ask for mandatory vaccinations and the big state, they like dictatorship states and are part of the problem.

What would be most astonishing about this drivel (if we hadn't all seen it before) is the a-cognisance of the fact that some of the distorted and simplified statements the poster is whining about are what made his/her ability to whine about them possible; and contrary to the whinery, continue to make that possibility reality.

The only thing new about such folly is that, thanks to the systems that enable such obliviousness, they are accessible to an exponentially greater number of like-lazyminded individuals who'd rather be fed their outrage rather than research the real causes of their affluent dis-satistaction.


No-one hates equality more than those who (think they) are on (relative) top...

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

"As they say, you can't fix "stupid" , “Never argue with an idiot"

Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

It is still name calling. I only stepped in to set the record straight. You can't stand anything or anyone that is contrary to your opinions so you stoop to the lowest level. Or as I suggested before, you are on some PR payroll for the thought police. If you truly want to promote what you are putting forth, you would make your point and move on like everyone else instead of spouting the same repetitive drivel over and over (leaving the door open for people like me to post interesting links like this onehttps://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/) then calling people that you don't agree with bad names. Take your soapbox somewhere else. The topic is "risk vs benefit". If no one can talk about risk then it is not a conversation is it? If you only respond with name calling (and posting lame non scientific links) every time some one mentions any risks, then what does that make you?
And seriously guys, chill with the bible quotes.
You say over and over that you follow the science. I have asked (repeatedly), How can you, Pfizer won't release the raw trial data. The FDA issued an emergency use authorization to permit the use of an UNAPPROVED product.

American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. … have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products

[Pfizer] & Upjohn Company has agreed to plead guilty to a felony violation of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act

You want us to put our unconditional trust (that what they want to inject into us will not cause grave future harm) in convicted felons guilty of false marketing practices.

“Fraudulent marketing” is an understatement: The mRNA vaccine announced by Pfizer and Moderna is based on an experimental gene editing mRNA technology which has a bearing on the human genome. The standard animal lab tests using mice or ferrets were not conducted. Pfizer “went straight to human “guinea pigs.”-from the internet

Some more quotes from Samuel Clemens:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
"It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled."
“Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you would rather have talked.”
“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”
“If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.”

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by boatman61

UK.. No jab, No Pint..
Looks like one will have to show a vaccine certificate to go anywhere..
So much for "It won't be Mandatory"..

Anyone needing an incentive to be vaccinated?