Covid vaccines: risk vs benefit alarming news

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Paul L

If any completely unrelated to cruising thread on CF deserves to be closed it is this one. Whack job city.

Can't we just close down the whack jobs ?

Actually, I'm completely kidding. I'm (almost) never in favour of silencing anyone. Outside very narrow "hate speech" kinds of comments, it's far better to have the whack jobs airing their misinformation out front. With every statement, they just demonstrate how foolish their views are.

[boatman61]

There's the so called 'Whack Jobs' and on the other hand the 'Paranoid Fear Mongers'
The rest of us in between are laughing our tits off..

[CatNewBee]

To make it cruising related...

Martinique offers cruisers there a jab if they want one, they can subscribe to a list and will be informed when it is availlable and get an appointment - only in Le Marin at the moment.

Sint Maarten / Saint Martin has vaccined some cruisers too, they encourage undocumented locals to get a jab without checking for citizenship or social security numbers - to not scare them away (immigration issues), - but think on applying measures to prevent covid jab tourism from yachties and tourists. They ask cruisers to wait until the locals with whatever status got their vaccines first - before they make the vaccination available to anyone willing to get it. However, there are loopholes and some more eager vaccine junkies got their shots there under way while cruising - hoping to get some privileges for crossing borders.

As far as I can tell, there is more an invite than push to get the jab - so a positive message to everyone on both sides of the aisle.

Martinique is going back to lockdown and curfew over Easter to prevent private gatherings on the beaches and demonstrations / celebrations / processions.

[Montanan]

Britain is planning booster COVID-19 vaccines for over 70 year olds from September to protect them from new virus variants as the government drives ahead with its vaccine rollout, The Telegraph reported on Friday, citing the vaccine deployment minister. The booster COVID-19 vaccine will be given to those aged over 70 as well as frontline NHS and social care workers,

"The most likely date will be September. Jonathan Van-Tam (the deputy chief medical officer) thinks that if we are going to see a requirement for a booster jab to protect the most vulnerable, (it) would be around September," British Vaccine Deployment Minister Nadhim Zahawi told the paper

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ines-september.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by boatman61

There's the so called 'Whack Jobs' and on the other hand the 'Paranoid Fear Mongers'
The rest of us in between are laughing our tits off..

As a card-carrying member of "the rest of" CF, perhaps you can explain why some such people feel compelled to publicly announce (brag?) about how healthy they are and the prowess of their immune system, such that they don't need no steenkin' vaccine...

Is that person truly part of "the rest of us", or maybe just a different, less extreme version of kook? Maybe someone we'd chuckle at/with and call a "character"?


(also, do you miss your tits? )

[Montanan]

Meanwhile of the influenza front:

Snipets from: https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-pande...185543935.html

Precautions aimed at tamping down the coronavirus helped nearly eradicate last year’s flu season — but that could backfire by making it harder to develop effective vaccines for next winter’s flu.

The hospitalization rate for the 2020-21 flu season was just 0.7 per 100,000 people, the lowest it’s been since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began collecting such data in 2005. Measures such as social distancing, wearing masks and staying indoors likely helped hold pediatric flu deaths to just one last flu season, compared to 196 in the 2019-20 season.

Public health experts are relieved that the United States avoided a “twindemic” of a strong flu season amid a spiraling Covid-19 outbreak. But the low levels of flu have left experts with a much smaller pool of data used for predicting which flu strains will predominate next winter — raising the odds that the 2021-22 flu vaccine will be less effective than normal.

Once doors start opening again and people venture out without taking a year’s worth of Covid-19 precautions, it’s possible there could be new strains of the flu circulating that scientists didn't anticipate, said Cody Meissner, an infectious disease specialist and pediatrician at Tufts Children’s Hospital who also serves on the FDA vaccine advisory panel. Without a strong enough vaccine, the pandemic-weary country could experience a severe flu season just as it emerges from fighting the coronavirus.

“We may have a combination of low public health measures at the population level with a low effectiveness vaccine. And then so you might have a raging flu season next year,”

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

As a card-carrying member of "the rest of" CF, perhaps you can explain why some such people feel compelled to publicly announce (brag?) about how healthy they are and the prowess of their immune system, such that they don't need no steenkin' vaccine...

Is that person truly part of "the rest of us", or maybe just a different, less extreme version of kook? Maybe someone we'd chuckle at/with and call a "character"?


(also, do you miss your tits? )

Ha, nice.
I believe those laughing their tits off, don't really have any!
Their just trying to comfort themselves into thinking they don't need the Jab.
Their unsure and looking to find compatriots to assure them.
What's really happening there is ignorance, and its blissful to them.
When the CDC starts to require proof of Vacs. To get on a plane, go to a bar, a movie theater, or other public events.
They stomp their feet like children and incite some violence to push others around.
Sure, can't make you mask or get a Vac.
But, you can be excluded from attending public events till the Virus is in more controllable numbers.
Whine if you want, anti- vacs. Will only prolong lockdowns and loss of income for everyone.
Sorry, but their the dregs of an administration that was a complete failure from the beginning.
NEVER AGAIN

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

As a card-carrying member of "the rest of" CF, perhaps you can explain why some such people feel compelled to publicly announce (brag?) about how healthy they are and the prowess of their immune system, such that they don't need no steenkin' vaccine...

Is that person truly part of "the rest of us", or maybe just a different, less extreme version of kook? Maybe someone we'd chuckle at/with and call a "character"?:wink

(also, do you miss your tits? )

Well.. you guys shout the odds about the vaccine..
I give my reasons why I am not overly concerned about the virus as it's a Corona virus, varients of which my system has been coping with for 72yrs and no flu shots to date..
But then you guys start with uncompromising rants and abuse while bragging how self sacrificing and socially responsible you are though I wonder if family, friends and neighbour's would think the same..
I don't consider my evaluation of my immune system to cope to be bragging, merely an assessment from years of living/visiting in many parts of the world between 1948 and 2021 including Asia, the Caribe, S America and the S Pacific n Oz.. also from what I have seen in my travels your sort would not set foot in many of the areas I habituate while there.. plus your paranoia here backs this assessment up.
The problem with the Left is they ask for answers then can only mock and abuse when they get them..
I have said before I am neither Pro nor Anti vaccine, just anti enforcement.. especially when the results are so feeble.
But hey.. at no time have I said anyone should not get vaccinated, if it calms their fears that's good..
That's why Homeopathy became so popular, it de-stressed the hypochondriacs..
Never said I represented CF.. There you go.. Spinning again.

[Montanan]

The real kicker will arise later this year when vaccines have been available to all and employers will routinely make being vaccinated a condition of continued employment and of hire.

I have already notified my employees of such and last night I spoke with my daughter and her large architecture firm will also mandate vaccination by all with a goal to be able to reoccupy their offices in September or October in the State of Oregon.

Vaccination will be prerequisite for entry to our facilities by employees, consultants, suppliers, vendors and customers. If any third parties desire to have face to face meetings then such gathering will be conditioned on all persons present being vaccinated. We are hearing similar plans for mandates of vaccination from our suppliers and our customers.

No Ticky, No Laundry.

No vaccine, no work, no supplier, no customer.

No Shoes.
No Shirt.
No Vaccine.
No Service.