FACT vs OPINION

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

Look, Im super skeptical and am ready to get fitted for my first ever tin foil hat...

BUT, If there is data , real data, I would be open to it.

I’m open to it too. Anyone?

In the meantime my sleuthing has brought me to “The Great Reset,” and The International Monetary Fund (IMF)

It looks like there’s a vested interest in keeping the economy on the rocks.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

Can someone please show me facts and data
1) that lockdowns work
2) that cloth or surgical masks are better than 3% effective in filtering virus from the air we breath.
3) that the survival rate of Covid 19 is significantly worse per age group than the flu.

1) Lockdowns are basically a last ditch effort for countries without highly functioning infection control systems to temporarily stop hospitals from imploding. Sort of like some places in the world you can drink the tap water, in other places you need to boil it. In some countries they don't have lockdowns to speak of because of better public health systems.

2) Consider that the mask question is not the correct one. We don't care what % number of viral particles the mask blocks if A) mask use is associated with a high percentage reduction of disease in the community (for this reduces morbidity and mortality), B) it costs next to nothing as an intervention. Beyond this one could research for more, but those kinds of researchers don't ask your constellation of questions. Many studies on this, here's one:
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-mms100620.php

3) https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ml#post3235437

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

If enough people here do this we might find that we stand on more common ground than we thought. Or that the test could be biased. It should be interesting either way.

Gord: How did you get it to show the graph on here?

Not sure about some of the questions... but here "I am".... -6.13 & -7.74, a lefty libertarian (I'm hesitant about the "libertarian" part: contrary to Libertarianism in the USA, I support high(er) levels of taxation and government spending on health, welfare and education.)

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

Can someone please show me facts and data
1) that lockdowns work
2) that cloth or surgical masks are better than 3% effective in filtering virus from the air we breath.
3) that the survival rate of Covid 19 is significantly worse per age group than the flu.



Thanks!

Masks do work but it is not how people think that they work. They work by keeping people from touching their mouth and nose.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by aajora

Im outside of portland, oregon in scappoose.. not that i "cannot" get back in the water but rather 'when". and its been a long four years of restoring a 1974 fuji 35. I couldnt stop tearing things apart and rebedding, rebuilding, reglassing, refairing, repainting, etc.. i preactically rebuilt her.

I am now almost there but at the discouraging part of building my own lifepo4 house bank (3.2v cells) and rewiring the whole darned mess.. and i know very little about this as Im a carpenter.

I will be afloat by this summer if I have the opportunity to get back to work to bankroll this final push.. until then theres more than enough to do on the boat, ha

Had to google it, cool looking boat

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by GordMay

As a leftist, I believe that reality is mostly left biased.
At least, that's my opinion (unsubstantiated HERE).

My socialist side agrees, but my libertarian side says NO WAY!

Actually, my somewhat flippant point was that reality is not affected by human psychological classifications. Reality just is. We impose (silly) political meaning.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by aajora

Im outside of portland, oregon in scappoose.. not that i "cannot" get back in the water but rather 'when". ...

Well I can't. I mean really, can't. There's at least one other CF member in the same boat as I (), although he has another boat elsewhere, so I win! (by losing ).

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by GordMay

I was rated:
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
Whodathunk?
I might have rated myself further left, and less libertarian.

I'll have to go back, and read their explanations.

Oh sure, hours of fun. Here's mine. As I said, I'm a libertarian-socialist

Economic Left/Right: -9.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.21

[Old fella]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Hmmm, like mandatory seatbelt use? Maybe... but I doubt it. More likely there will be institutional restrictions and sanctions placed on the nutbars that insist on exercising their freedom not to be inoculated.

I'd not support mandatory vacinations, but I would support allowing society rit-large to exercise its freedom to protect the general populace. We could require proof of the appropriate inoculations for those who want to do things like go to work, or school, or Walmart or the like.

Rights come with responsibilities.

Dead right Mike. Those nutbars better get used to staying at home, because I’m pretty sure no other country is going to want them crossing their border.

[Mike OReilly]

I like this iteration of my compass:

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'd not support mandatory vaccinations, but I would support allowing society writ-large to exercise its freedom to protect the general populace. We could require proof of the appropriate inoculations for those who want to do things like go to work, or school, or Walmart or the like.

Rights come with responsibilities.

EXTRA! CIVIL WAR AVERTED

COVID vaccine in US will not be mandatory - Biden

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

EXTRA! CIVIL WAR AVERTED

COVID vaccine in US will not be mandatory - Biden

Exactly. Guess our southern friends will have to find some other excuse to buy more guns .


But I still expect civil society to make vaccinations a standard for participation. I've read that vaccinations will come with a record, or card, that will be issued to the individual. I expect to see businesses and other institutions start to use this as a benchmark for access, or service. Maybe it will be 'show your card, or wear a mask' approach.

There will be small hold out areas, which is just fine by me. Sadly, it's a problem that will fix itself over time. A some state motto says: Live free or die. Your choice ... just don't drag everyone else down with you.

[Singularity]

""Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired.""

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Singularity

""Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired.""

DUH..

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

EXTRA! CIVIL WAR AVERTED

COVID vaccine in US will not be mandatory - Biden

My Previous employer offered benefits for taking yearly health exams. My guess is a majority of business will offer to pay for their employees to take the vaccine.