Insight into reqd PCR tests for returng Canadians fm USA?

[wannacat]

Originally Posted by endlesspursuit

My brother just heard from his brother-in-law who lives in Singapore. They take it real serious over there. They just quarantined his wife coming back from Panama because she hasn't had a Yellow Fever shot in years. Funny thing is he has the same virus we all have had here in the states the last couple of weeks. Like a weak flu. Even funnier still is all the people I know that have had the same thing, half test positive and the other half test negative. Same symptoms. Same time. Same place. So 2 things. One is you can,t stop the spread easily. Two, are the tests really all that accurate? FYI, our experience is this strain is highly contagious but very weak. Couple of days and your feeling pretty good again. So I say to our northern neighbors, you can stay locked down and I wish you well but I don't think it will help much in the end. I'll be at the bar with my friends.

Ahrrrrr-hopefully over the bridge we go and headed your way, keep a couple seats at the bar open for us. Let em freeze in their houses up here if they want, no telling when they won't shut your gas off if you don't do this or that!!! I'm draining all my water pipes till spring!

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by c.K.

Well said! and there is more , statistically 2018 had more overall death than the last 2 years (like many other countries )

Sorry, but not correct:

2020 "excess" deaths greater than 5 earlier years, even for <65yrs age:


Overall deaths also greater 2020-2021:



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[endlesspursuit]

Originally Posted by wannacat

Ahrrrrr-hopefully over the bridge we go and headed your way, keep a couple seats at the bar open for us. Let em freeze in their houses up here if they want, no telling when they won't shut your gas off if you don't do this or that!!! I'm draining all my water pipes till spring!

Come on down. I buy the first beer for you.

[ebs001]

Originally Posted by wannacat

Yes we all want to see an end to this mess, but you really think closing the border has done anything!? Not at all, we still have big numbers here and ridiculous lockdowns! We've had strict requirements for the longest time and it hasn't done anything but divide Canadians! The big problem is our supposedly great free healthcare system that we've always pounded our chests about, well the issue is that it's totally under built !!! Like always stated -you don't get much for nothing-that's exactly what we've got! Now it's "overwhelmed", it always has been, look at the wait times we've had to endure before the virus for cancer, heart and all other treatments. Look how long it even took to get Cat Scans or MRI's!!! Totally under built, that's why it's been crushed by this pandemic, we'd rather send money to 3rd world countries than help our own who worked to pay for this tax base.

The Canadian Healthcare system has not been overwhelmed precisely because we invoked strict covid protocols. The only province to go rogue during the Delta wave was Alberta and that caused a huge spike in covid cases in that province and probably was a leading factor in O'toole losing the federal election. The Omicron variant which is currently causing so many of the current active cases was a direct result of allowing people to cross the border into Canada. Somehow the covid protocols broke down. If stricter rules had been in place or the current rules more strictly adhered to Omicron would not have gotten into this county. Fortunately the Omicron variant while considerably more transmissible is not causing the hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths of previous variants. Part of the reason for the is the high rate of vaccinations in Canada. The lockdowns for the most part come under provincial jurisdiction while those who are claiming that it is dividing the country are blaming the feds. The provincial chief medical officers recommend the actions the Premiers should take. They seemed to believe that lockdowns work and they must have the data which backs that up.

It is inaccurate to say that wait times for essential treatments for heart , cancer, and other medical problems has slowed down. It' simply not true. My wife has been undergoing cancer treatments for the last 8 months and there have been no changes and no slowdowns. She has had timely CAT scans, PET scans, MRI's never having to endure any wait times. No healthcare system has been designed to withstand the assault that would occur if covid is allowed to spread unchecked. The healthcare system in Texas was completely overwhelmed far worse than anything in Canada.

Canada does not have a free healthcare system. Our system has not been overwhelmed

BUT most importantly what are you, and I mean everyone, doing personally to end the pandemic and instead of seeking to undermine what others are doing ask what more can I do to help end the pandemic.

[ebs001]

Originally Posted by endlesspursuit

My brother just heard from his brother-in-law who lives in Singapore. They take it real serious over there. They just quarantined his wife coming back from Panama because she hasn't had a Yellow Fever shot in years. Funny thing is he has the same virus we all have had here in the states the last couple of weeks. Like a weak flu. Even funnier still is all the people I know that have had the same thing, half test positive and the other half test negative. Same symptoms. Same time. Same place. So 2 things. One is you can,t stop the spread easily. Two, are the tests really all that accurate? FYI, our experience is this strain is highly contagious but very weak. Couple of days and your feeling pretty good again. So I say to our northern neighbors, you can stay locked down and I wish you well but I don't think it will help much in the end. I'll be at the bar with my friends.

So rather than anecdotal evidence let's look at the statistics.

Fl. Population 21.9M, Covid cases 4.5M, Deaths 62.6K

Can Pop. 38.0, Covid cases 2.47M, Deaths 30.7K

The main reason for the difference is that Florida refuses to take this pandemic seriously. So while our friend here is enjoying an adult beverage at the bar his neighbours are getting sick and dying from covid at a rate 4 times that of Canada and he seems quite pleased with this. And people wonder why so many Canadians are willing to shut the border down.

[wannacat]

[QUOTE=ebs001;3550780]The Canadian Healthcare system has not been overwhelmed precisely because we invoked strict covid protocols. The only province to go rogue during the Delta wave was Alberta and that caused a huge spike in covid cases in that province and probably was a leading factor in O'toole losing the federal election. The Omicron variant which is currently causing so many of the current active cases was a direct result of allowing people to cross the border into Canada. Somehow the covid protocols broke down. If stricter rules had been in place or the current rules more strictly adhered to Omicron would not have gotten into this county. Fortunately the Omicron variant while considerably more transmissible is not causing the hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths of previous variants. Part of the reason for the is the high rate of vaccinations in Canada. The lockdowns for the most part come under provincial jurisdiction while those who are claiming that it is dividing the country are blaming the feds. The provincial chief medical officers recommend the actions the Premiers should take. They seemed to believe that lockdowns work and they must have the data which backs that up.

It is inaccurate to say that wait times for essential treatments for heart , cancer, and other medical problems has slowed down. It' simply not true. My wife has been undergoing cancer treatments for the last 8 months and there have been no changes and no slowdowns. She has had timely CAT scans, PET scans, MRI's never having to endure any wait times. No healthcare system has been designed to withstand the assault that would occur if covid is allowed to spread unchecked. The healthcare system in Texas was completely overwhelmed far worse than anything in Canada.

Canada does not have a free healthcare system. Our system has not been overwhelmed

BUT most importantly what are you, and I mean everyone, doing personally to end the pandemic and instead of seeking to undermine what others are doing ask what more can I do to help end the pandemic.[/QUOTES

Real sorry to hear about you wife's condition but happy to hear that she's still receiving treatments! Count your lucky stars [or you know the right people] because I know lots of people that have been put on the back burner and know lots of nurses who are backing up this information. As for it coming across the border well of course it has, but don't blame the Americans, at least not at land border crossing, they have been put through the mill there and weren't allowed in until just a while back. The real border crossing issues are at the airports and always have been. Allowing flights from Asia at the start of this thing going unchecked and yet the head of our health Canada appearing on TV in late January of 2020 stating- "don't worry Canada is totally prepared" she just didn't say what for.
It's too late to point fingers now and by the way people interact throughout the world you can't stop this spreading of germs and never will. We have to learn how to live with it and locking people up hasn't stopped this spread anywhere that philosophy has been tried, Canada included. As far as Florida have way more death rate than all of Canada that's skewed by the fact that our population is spread out way thinner than putting all those older aged people together in the state of Florida along with the average age difference. Ratio the death rates in Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Vancouver to Florida and you might stop pounding your chest!
Also much of the figures are definitely wrong, my friend's mother was in Ft Lauderdale Hospice with for her final days in dealing with terminal cancer, the last night they shipped her unconscious to the hospital where she passed away 3 hours later. The coroner tagged her as dying from "Covid" and refused to change the death certificate. All because the Feds pay the hospitals per Covid death!!! That's happening all over the US and Canada too but as far as I know they don't get paid here, their just sheep.

[wannacat]

Originally Posted by endlesspursuit

Come on down. I buy the first beer for you.

Stayed at Telemar Marina in March for a bit. Friendly people in the area and had lots of fun there! Nice bar right near the beach on A1A, can't remember the name? Had 2 levels with the 2nd open in the middle to below and an outside deck facing the ocean, good food, music and cold beers. Will stop there again.

[Rol1964]

Obviously no intel available at this time…

[ebs001]

[QUOTE=wannacat;3550949]

Originally Posted by ebs001

The Canadian Healthcare system has not been overwhelmed precisely because we invoked strict covid protocols. The only province to go rogue during the Delta wave was Alberta and that caused a huge spike in covid cases in that province and probably was a leading factor in O'toole losing the federal election. The Omicron variant which is currently causing so many of the current active cases was a direct result of allowing people to cross the border into Canada. Somehow the covid protocols broke down. If stricter rules had been in place or the current rules more strictly adhered to Omicron would not have gotten into this county. Fortunately the Omicron variant while considerably more transmissible is not causing the hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths of previous variants. Part of the reason for the is the high rate of vaccinations in Canada. The lockdowns for the most part come under provincial jurisdiction while those who are claiming that it is dividing the country are blaming the feds. The provincial chief medical officers recommend the actions the Premiers should take. They seemed to believe that lockdowns work and they must have the data which backs that up.

It is inaccurate to say that wait times for essential treatments for heart , cancer, and other medical problems has slowed down. It' simply not true. My wife has been undergoing cancer treatments for the last 8 months and there have been no changes and no slowdowns. She has had timely CAT scans, PET scans, MRI's never having to endure any wait times. No healthcare system has been designed to withstand the assault that would occur if covid is allowed to spread unchecked. The healthcare system in Texas was completely overwhelmed far worse than anything in Canada.

Canada does not have a free healthcare system. Our system has not been overwhelmed

BUT most importantly what are you, and I mean everyone, doing personally to end the pandemic and instead of seeking to undermine what others are doing ask what more can I do to help end the pandemic.[/QUOTES

Real sorry to hear about you wife's condition but happy to hear that she's still receiving treatments! Count your lucky stars [or you know the right people] because I know lots of people that have been put on the back burner and know lots of nurses who are backing up this information. As for it coming across the border well of course it has, but don't blame the Americans, at least not at land border crossing, they have been put through the mill there and weren't allowed in until just a while back. The real border crossing issues are at the airports and always have been. Allowing flights from Asia at the start of this thing going unchecked and yet the head of our health Canada appearing on TV in late January of 2020 stating- "don't worry Canada is totally prepared" she just didn't say what for.
It's too late to point fingers now and by the way people interact throughout the world you can't stop this spreading of germs and never will. We have to learn how to live with it and locking people up hasn't stopped this spread anywhere that philosophy has been tried, Canada included. As far as Florida have way more death rate than all of Canada that's skewed by the fact that our population is spread out way thinner than putting all those older aged people together in the state of Florida along with the average age difference. Ratio the death rates in Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Vancouver to Florida and you might stop pounding your chest!
Also much of the figures are definitely wrong, my friend's mother was in Ft Lauderdale Hospice with for her final days in dealing with terminal cancer, the last night they shipped her unconscious to the hospital where she passed away 3 hours later. The coroner tagged her as dying from "Covid" and refused to change the death certificate. All because the Feds pay the hospitals per Covid death!!! That's happening all over the US and Canada too but as far as I know they don't get paid here, their just sheep.

My wife is not an exception. It's the way it is. Critical care patients have not seen the level of care change.

We need to stop making excuses for Florida. The reason they have such atrocious numbers is their bad behaviour as exemplified by the poster to this forum who is sitting in a bar having a drink laughing while infecting people. What is he doing to stop the spread? Nothing, in fact his attitude is contributing to the spread and preventable deaths in his state. They have a Governor who has issued Executive orders to prevent schools and municipalities from enacting legislation to stem their infections.

I have no doubt that some of the numbers in Florida are skewed but a few months ago a woman was fired from her state job because she showed that Florida was under reporting numbers and in a very significant way.

It is not just Florida that is exhibiting bad behaviour either. Right across the USA similar behaviour is having the same divesting affects.

What are you doing to protect your fellow Canadian from this pandemic?

[S/V Illusion]

are you unaware of the datsa [QUOTE=ebs001;3551258]

Originally Posted by wannacat

We need to stop making excuses for Florida. The reason they have such atrocious numbers is their bad behaviour as exemplified by the poster to this forum who is sitting in a bar having a drink laughing while infecting people. What is he doing to stop the spread? Nothing, in fact his attitude is contributing to the spread and preventable deaths in his state.

Nonsense! To be correct, when corrected for population, according to CDC data, 16 states have covid numbers higher than Florida and interestingly, all but two of those with far worse infection and mortality rates require much more onerous restrictions on their population including children.

They have a Governor who has issued Executive orders to prevent schools and municipalities from enacting legislation to stem their infections.

Are you unaware or simply misinformed? Children in Florida as a group have a lower infection rate than the national average. The science indicates masking children serves only to impede their welfare. But it does make a good fantasy opportunity to unfairly criticize.

I have no doubt that some of the numbers in Florida are skewed but a few months ago a woman was fired from her state job because she showed that Florida was under reporting numbers and in a very significant way.

The woman was a low level recalcitrant politically motivated wacko now exposed as having manipulated the data to cast doubt on otherwise good data. I guess you either missed that fact or chose to ignore it.

[sv_pelagia]

Really?

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[wannacat]

[QUOTE=ebs001;3551258]

Originally Posted by wannacat

My wife is not an exception. It's the way it is. Critical care patients have not seen the level of care change.

We need to stop making excuses for Florida. The reason they have such atrocious numbers is their bad behaviour as exemplified by the poster to this forum who is sitting in a bar having a drink laughing while infecting people. What is he doing to stop the spread? Nothing, in fact his attitude is contributing to the spread and preventable deaths in his state. They have a Governor who has issued Executive orders to prevent schools and municipalities from enacting legislation to stem their infections.

I have no doubt that some of the numbers in Florida are skewed but a few months ago a woman was fired from her state job because she showed that Florida was under reporting numbers and in a very significant way.

It is not just Florida that is exhibiting bad behaviour either. Right across the USA similar behaviour is having the same divesting affects.

What are you doing to protect your fellow Canadian from this pandemic?

Don't know exactly where your from? But definitely from a different Canada. There have been published factual figures and even outright claims by many provincial figures that surgeries and cancer treatments have been put on the back burner due to Covid. There was even a quote that the backlog is well over 2 years or more now because of Covid!
S/V Illusion definitely sees the real figures and facts and telling them like it is down there. Believe it! Get your head out of the propaganda newspapers up here trying to pound our chests and showing false figures of what's happening in the States. Unless maybe your working for Mr J Tru and paid to skew facts and figures.
P.S.-don't worry about buddy sitting at the bar, he's doing his share by killing those virus germs with alcohol-maybe you should sit down and have a few swigs yourself-Cheers!

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Really? Attachment 250933

According to CDC (not the Financial Times):
Florida new deaths - rank 36th
Florida total active cases - rank 19th
Florida deaths/million - rank 16th.
Covid hospitalization rate in florida - less than 10% of all beds and less than 9% of ICU beds. Far less than the national averages.


Not great but much better than many/most.

Science and facts matter.

[ebs001]

[QUOTE=S/V Illusion;3551274]are you unaware of the datsa

Originally Posted by ebs001

Nonsense! To be correct, when corrected for population, according to CDC data, 16 states have covid numbers higher than Florida and interestingly, all but two of those with far worse infection and mortality rates require much more onerous restrictions on their population including children.



Are you unaware or simply misinformed? Children in Florida as a group have a lower infection rate than the national average. The science indicates masking children serves only to impede their welfare. But it does make a good fantasy opportunity to unfairly criticize.\





The woman was a low level recalcitrant politically motivated wacko now exposed as having manipulated the data to cast doubt on otherwise good data. I guess you either missed that fact or chose to ignore it.

Just a lot of bull ****, lies and misinformation. SV Illusion, your name pretty much says it all. Florida 19th in the nation. 19th still puts Florida as one of the worst jurisdictions in the world. The handling of the pandemic has been criminal.
People like you are exactly why we want to keep Americans out of Canada and if you done start cleaning up your act the border will soon be restricted to essential traffic only. We don't need a bunch of ill informed sociopaths coming into our country and we don' t want ignorant people telling us how to handle this pandemic when they are killing there own at a rate 4 times higher than Canada.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion

...

Science and facts matter.

Facts according to DeSantis? Hahahahaha


Science? Seen his new surgeon general? Makes Groucho Marx look like a brain surgeon.


C'mon, you can do better. All of you.