Mutated strain of Covid-19 Found in London.

[Thumbs Up]

Originally Posted by Singularity

The article cited how the 1918 flu RNA was sequenced from a preserved lab specimen and from frozen tissue from ?Alaska.

Meningococcus is a bacteria that does not cause people to cough up their bloody lungs after 48 hours. Drawing any link is odd.

Meningococcal pneumonia https://pneumonia.biomedcentral.com/...479-019-0062-0

Many things can make you cough up blood. Common causes include:

Bronchitis, either short-term (acute) or long-term (chronic)
Lung cancer
Damaged airways (bronchiectasis), especially because of cystic fibrosis
Pneumonia
Tuberculosis
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease https://www.webmd.com/lung/coughing-up-blood

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Yihang

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'Australia holds off UK travel ban, bucking trend after warnings of new coronavirus strain'

Scotty-“We have no plans to go down the path of (banning UK flights),”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/su...s&mode=premium

'https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/australia-holds-off-uk-travel-ban-bucking-trend'


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Yeah well, there are bugga all flights coming from the UK to Oz and those that do get a ticket, they go straight in 14 days of supervised quarantine on arrival so we can afford to be magnanimous

Plus we want to sell stuff to the UK after Brexit now we have got lots surplus stock of most exports...

[GordMay]

So, in Thumbs Up’s calculus:
The more evidence there is, supporting a proposition, the more likely a (propaganda) conspiracy is at work, and the less likely the proposition is true.
The less evidence, for a proposition, the more likely it’s a result of suppression (more conspiracy), thus more certainly that it is true.

I’m kinda scared for the year 2020 because 2+0+2+0 = 4; which is the exact number of nipples Hitler would’ve had, if he had 2 extra nipples. Coincidence? Obviously not.

[DIJ]

And the amount of evidence against the theory that the earth is flat must mean that it’s a conspiracy and must be flat.

[GordMay]

What's known, unknown about the coronavirus variant in Britain
➥ https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coron...iner-1.5849905

Pfizer, Moderna testing vaccine against COVID variant
➥ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...w-covid-strain

[Jason Flare]

No, evidently the conspiracy theory is that all the world’s scientists are virtuous.

[Capn Jimbo]

From the Public Health perspective:


1. The number of countries banning flights from the UK now exceeds 40.

2. This will surely slow the spread to those countries, but not much. The mutation is so infectious that even a couple cases slipping through will explode in numbers quickly.

3. There is no reason to believe that the mutation is not already present in most of these countries, including the United States. Keep in mind the English mutation was present since September, long before today’s flight bans.

4. As an example, it is now accepted that the original European and Chinese variants were present in the United States long before it grew out of control. The new mutation is assuredly present and will spread much more quickly.

5. The attribution to England is primarily due to their very advanced public health capabilities to find, discover and describe mutations.

6. As a result, the US and other countries are now scrambling to do the same, and to discover and quantify where they stand in loco. It is very likely they will find and locate the mutation, and to be forced to respond on an emergency basis, as has the UK.

Summary: the fast spreading mutation is serious primarily as the health system is already overloaded, and was likely to fail widely anyway, especially after the holidays. The fast spreading mutation will only hasten and exacerbate that. It is fair to say that this mutation will soon replace the original variants and become the pandemic.

CJ
Public Health, 30 years

[endlesspursuit]

Originally Posted by Capn Jimbo

From the Public Health perspective:


1. The number of countries banning flights from the UK now exceeds 40.

2. This will surely slow the spread to those countries, but not much. The mutation is so infectious that even a couple cases slipping through will explode in numbers quickly.

3. There is no reason to believe that the mutation is not already present in most of these countries, including the United States. Keep in mind the English mutation was present since September, long before today’s flight bans.

4. As an example, it is now accepted that the original European and Chinese variants were present in the United States long before it grew out of control. The new mutation is assuredly present and will spread much more quickly.

5. The attribution to England is primarily due to their very advanced public health capabilities to find, discover and describe mutations.

6. As a result, the US and other countries are now scrambling to do the same, and to discover and quantify where they stand in loco. It is very likely they will find and locate the mutation, and to be forced to respond on an emergency basis, as has the UK.

Summary: the fast spreading mutation is serious primarily as the health system is already overloaded, and was likely to fail widely anyway, especially after the holidays. The fast spreading mutation will only hasten and exacerbate that. It is fair to say that this mutation will soon replace the original variants and become the pandemic.

CJ
Public Health, 30 years

Well CJ #4 is what I've been saying all along. The virus spread around the world before the Chinese said anything. I'm sure the mutation is already spread around also. When Trump stopped flights in the end of January everyone came unglued. It may have slowed things down but the virus was already here.
And to those arguing over the name. Call it #19 and lets keep the world black and white all the time. BS. The first cases were reported in Wuhan China so I'm pretty sure it didn't come from Timbuctoo.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Yihang

Ahh, there is that special relationship again.



'Fauci says he would advise against additional restrictions on UK travel as country grapples with new coronavirus variant'

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/21/p...rus/index.html

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'Australia holds off UK travel ban, bucking trend after warnings of new coronavirus strain'

Scotty-“We have no plans to go down the path of (banning UK flights),”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/su...s&mode=premium

'https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/australianz/australia-holds-off-uk-travel-ban-bucking-trend'


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While Hongkong is like **** that. Probably still take that 3 million UK citizenship though. I guess the special relationship there only goes one way?

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN28V0TA

I don’t think that’s is any special relationship at play.

US U.K. and U.K. Australia flights are relatively low down on the scale. London Dublin is one of the busiest in Europe , so it makes some sense to restrict it. I Suspect it’s way too late anyway. There is some anecdotal evidence it’s in Ireland anyway

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I don’t think that’s is any special relationship at play.

US U.K. and U.K. Australia flights are relatively low down on the scale. London Dublin is one of the busiest in Europe , so it makes some sense to restrict it. I Suspect it’s way too late anyway. There is some anecdotal evidence it’s in Ireland anyway

Fair enough but wasn't the recent Sydney breakout due to a flight from LA? Wouldn't just one plane load of passengers be enough? Granted I'm assuming everyone arriving from anywhere still need to be quarantined but lets make sure the flight staff are also quarantined so entire cities don't need to lock down again.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Yihang

Fair enough but wasn't the recent Sydney breakout due to a flight from LA? Wouldn't just one plane load of passengers be enough? Granted I'm assuming everyone arriving from anywhere still need to be quarantined but lets make sure the flight staff are also quarantined so entire cities don't need to lock down again.

I hear that Gladys has hardened up on flight crew "iso". It seems she was previously steam rolled into letting them self isolate on an honour system.

It seems this arrangement has been kiboshed as of about now! Flight crews will now go straight into police supervised isolation until they need to fly out.

Blind Freddy could have foreseen this clusterf.

I dunno if this will apply to other groups who are allowed to self isolate rather than enter supervised quarantine e.g. diplomats, politicians (AFAIK), Film Stars etc.

I dunno what happens in other states.

[goboatingnow]

It’s ok. The Germans are coming . Lufthansa dispatched a B777 freighter with 80 tons of emergency fresh food to the U.K. in the last hour