New study of jabbed in the journal "Circulation"

[Time2Go]

“Never argue with a Moron
as a bystander won’t be able to tell who’s who”
Mark Twain

“ Never argue with an idiot ,
first they bring you down to their level
then beat you with experience “
also Mark Twain

Happy Thanksgiving to All
Neil

[gonesail]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

We know who the anti-vaxxers are in our neighborhood and avoid them like the ... Plague.

why? they are no more the plague than you are .. I believe that vaccinated are carriers and spreaders too.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Nord Sal

The point I'm trying to make is that these Johns Hopkins statistics, while valid for what they represent, are being misrepresented for what they actually are. IFR is always less than CFR.

There is no misrepresentation. In the graph I linked I PURPOSELY included the header, which clearly states "Case Fatality Ratio". Again, this was in response to a completely unsourced statement and assertion.

Logically, infection rates must be at least as large as case rates, and very likely are higher. How much higher is uncertain, so citing an "infection fatality rate" as fact is a misrepresentation. It is lower than CFR, but how much lower is unknown.

[longjonsilver]

Lets see how soon some high school dropout calls this "misinformation".

On the aforementioned study

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by gonesail

why? they are no more the plague than you are .. I believe that vaccinated are carriers and spreaders too.

Well, first you may not know that BP is over 65 (it was in one of his previous signature lines), which puts him in the higher risk category. Second, it's already established that if you're vaccinated, you are less likely to catch COVID, and that if it still happens, your illness will be shorter and less severe. So that's two reasons why the unvaccinated pose greater infection risks to everyone.

And finally, depending on someone's reasons for not getting vaccinated, they might also have little regard for the other COVID reduction measures like masks and distancing, etc.

[Nord Sal]

That response of yours was to a claim about the probability of death from an Covid-19 infection. It's apples and oranges.

I do appreciate that you admit that IFR is lower than CFR and thus, the probability of death from a Covid-19 infection is less than the 1.4 -1.6% CFRs for North America reported by Johns Hopkins.

I agree that the CFR is easier to determine and has less uncertainty.

[kayakerChuck]

I'm looking for some sailing advice. It's important stuff, lives may depend on the answers.

Can anyone recommend a good medical forum where I can have my sailing questions answered?

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by kayakerChuck

I'm looking for some sailing advice. It's important stuff, lives may depend on the answers.

Can anyone recommend a good medical forum where I can have my sailing questions answered?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by kayakerChuck

I'm looking for some sailing advice. It's important stuff, lives may depend on the answers.

Can anyone recommend a good medical forum where I can have my sailing questions answered?

Exactly. Or how about listening to actual medical researchers? If all the "I know better than the experts," would simply do this, we could all go back to arguing about anchors.

This is why I recommend everyone listen to the Steven Pinker discussion. It's not that long, but illuminates (amongst other things) this problem we have of Internet-experts who think they know more than the actual experts.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by kayakerChuck

I'm looking for some sailing advice. It's important stuff, lives may depend on the answers.

Can anyone recommend a good medical forum where I can have my sailing questions answered?

To late for CF..
Try Sailing Anarchy for sailing stuff. .

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by Jrubi12

It’s been in the news recently. I’ve read it from several different sources. It stems from a court case where several doctors and scientists filed FIOA requests with I believe the CDC and health department to get the Phizer data used to approve the “vaccine”.

They refused to provide the data so they took them to court. The government has requested the judge allow them to release the documents at a rate of 500 pages per month. Which means it would take 55 years to release at 330,000 pages.

Mind you the health dept read thru all 330,000 pages in 108 days to approve the drug. 3055 pages per days! Fast readers those guys!

Hmm if only reading all that material was forced on a single person, hey I have an idea let’s form a whatacallit group no team yeah team of people and they can work together

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Hmm if only reading all that material was forced on a single person, hey I have an idea let’s form a whatacallit group no team yeah team of people and they can work together

Even better, let's assemble a group of subject matter experts, give them a budget and support staff, and ask them to review any proposed medical interventions like, oh, vaccinations, on the country's behalf. We could call it... the FDA?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Even better, let's assemble a group of subject matter experts, give them a budget and support staff, and ask them to review any proposed medical interventions like, oh, vaccinations, on the country's behalf. We could call it... the FDA?

Sounds like a plan...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...lzheimers-drug

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Odd for a sailing forum, but not for a cruising forum. Covid-19 has probably been the most important factor for most cruisers over these past two years. So it's an essential topic.

What is "strange," and disappointing, is all the mis- and dis-information that is spread here. But sadly, I've come to expect this from CF. Nowhere else in my virtual, or real world, do I encounter the number of anti-science, anti-expertise people that constant show up here.

I really wonder if CF is being targeted for use by the disinformation industry. The number of people who only post in these kinds of threads, or who are new posters, feels rather suspicious.

Yes an also note that often these are quiescent accounts except for these topics not in all by any means but certainly often enough to be mmm interesting

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Yes an also note that often these are quiescent accounts except for these topics not in all by any means but certainly often enough to be mmm interesting

Yes, I've noted that as well. Amazing the number of decade-old members with tiny post counts who suddenly come alive spouting these anti-messages. Hmmm...

Damn... have I become a conspiracy theorist? .