Northern Europe during Pandemic -- Summers 2020 & 2021 & onwards

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Wow, thank you.

Finally some good news. If there are side effects, you won't remember you've been vaccinated when they occure... Alzheimer and Kreuzfeld Jacob induced by the mRNA code and Vaccine potentially worse than the C19 Illness itself. Backdoor for bioweapons installed in the masses. This world is really sick. I hope all politicians get their jabs soon, and don't remember anymore to push for more vaccine rollouts and passports.

Finally some research and not pushy marketing.

Yet another case of Brandolini's Law.

FYI:

No, COVID MRNA Vaccine Won't Cause Alzheimer's Or Prion Disease

"The coronavirus pandemic has spawned an equally concerning mis- and disinformation pandemic. The latest myth is that mRNA vaccines may trigger prion diseases like Alzheimer's."

Reference: American Council on Science and Health

https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/02/19...-disease-15357

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Exile

. . . But my non-expert beliefs run the risk of becoming personal bias, and neither has anything to do with the actual science. IOW, I have no credible way of dismissing contrary opinions in this case -- expert or not -- as "delusional," or in any other absolute terms. In fact, and based on the uncertainties in the science, I don't understand how either side in this or more generalized vax debates can indulge themselves with such certainty. It's more a choice about the lesser of two potential evils, along with a host of other factors based on individual circumstances.

I think this is an admirably sophisticated view. And the bit about lesser of potential evils is spot on, in my opinion, although it violates the precautionary principle.


HOWEVER, there IS a way for intelligent laymen, especially those with training in fields with a rigorous approach to facts, research, etc., to separate wheat from chaff in these debates.


Climate change is a little more difficult because direct proofs are fairly tenuous, even if the general theory is kind of obviously right considering what a mass of different facts support it.


But what concerns medicine -- here there is a gold standard, and that's peer-reviewed research. This is a rigorous process, so even if not everything which is peer reviewed is true, you CAN however say the what is properly peer reviewed and is indexed in PubMed is almost impossible to be just made up nonsense.


This Classen stuff is obvious bunkum; read this: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can...prion-disease/. You don't have throw up your hands, as an intelligent layman, and say "I can't tell the difference" -- you can.


However, your warnings about bias etc are very important. It is very important to avoid forming an echo chamber and closing your mind. But that is not incompatible with identifying and dismissing made up nonsense.

[Idlegreg]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

So the vulnerable older people are deplorable, you can make gen experiments with them, they will die anyway soon, so no long term genetic harm to be expected, they no longer multiply, and a death can easily be framed or covered up as just old or other pre conditions / causes than the vaccine - just like the other way around most deaths are framed / accounted to covid instead of preconditions and age.

This is not possible in middle age people still able to reproduce. Kids are most vulnerable for long term damages to their DNA and possible damage to the next generations, while not at risk from Covid.

Very sane statement. People should really think about the shots and consider if they want to be guinea pigs for the big pharma or not.

You seem to have missed the logic used in choosing to Vaccinate older people with AZ and yet restrict that for younger people.

It really isn't very hard and not nearly as cynical as you like to pretend.

For any group of people there is a choice - Vaccinate or do not vaccinate.

To decide which to choose you look at the risk of vaccinating and look at the risk of not vacinating and compare them - then best thing to do is pick the option with lower bad risks (death or severe sickness)

If the risks from the vaccine are similar for old and young.

But the risks of not vaccinating are much greater for the old (much more likely to get sick and die) then for older people it makes sense to take the smaller risk of the vaccine.

For younger people with much lower risk from Covid the calculation is different.


Not evil drug companies but simple maths :-)

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

You seem to have missed the logic used in choosing to Vaccinate older people with AZ and yet restrict that for younger people.

It really isn't very hard and not nearly as cynical as you like to pretend.

For any group of people there is a choice - Vaccinate or do not vaccinate.

To decide which to choose you look at the risk of vaccinating and look at the risk of not vacinating and compare them - then best thing to do is pick the option with lower bad risks (death or severe sickness)

If the risks from the vaccine are similar for old and young.

But the risks of not vaccinating are much greater for the old (much more likely to get sick and die) then for older people it makes sense to take the smaller risk of the vaccine.

For younger people with much lower risk from Covid the calculation is different.


Not evil drug companies but simple maths :-)

Unfortunately they push the vaccines even for kids, EU just ordered a big amont of doses to vaccinate children soon.

[Idlegreg]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Unfortunately they push the vaccines even for kids, EU just ordered a big amont of doses to vaccinate children soon.

Not sure what you mean by the 'EU' in this context - I have an idea the different countries of the EU are deciding what age groups get what vaccine individually.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Idlegreg

Not sure what you mean by the 'EU' in this context - I have an idea the different countries of the EU are deciding what age groups get what vaccine individually.

This..
Thursday's decision is the first time the European rights court has ruled on compulsory vaccinations, according to Deutsche Welle and other European media outlets.

In addition to ruling on privacy grounds, the court also rejected the argument from several of the plaintiffs that the EU's guarantee of freedom of religion and belief protects their position against the vaccines.

[darylat8750]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I think this is an admirably sophisticated view. And the bit about lesser of potential evils is spot on, in my opinion, although it violates the precautionary principle.


HOWEVER, there IS a way for intelligent laymen, especially those with training in fields with a rigorous approach to facts, research, etc., to separate wheat from chaff in these debates.


Climate change is a little more difficult because direct proofs are fairly tenuous, even if the general theory is kind of obviously right considering what a mass of different facts support it.


But what concerns medicine -- here there is a gold standard, and that's peer-reviewed research. This is a rigorous process, so even if not everything which is peer reviewed is true, you CAN however say the what is properly peer reviewed and is indexed in PubMed is almost impossible to be just made up nonsense.


This Classen stuff is obvious bunkum; read this: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/can...prion-disease/. You don't have throw up your hands, as an intelligent layman, and say "I can't tell the difference" -- you can.


However, your warnings about bias etc are very important. It is very important to avoid forming an echo chamber and closing your mind. But that is not incompatible with identifying and dismissing made up nonsense.

I agree. I'm not scientificly trained but about 1/4 of the way through the Classen thing it started to smell, by the last couple of paragraphs it stunk..

[Montanan]

Just saying,

[Montanan]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel plans to take control from federal states to impose restrictions on regions with high numbers of new coronavirus infections, a government spokeswoman said, in a battle to curb a third wave of the pandemic. The federal government plans to introduce draft legislation next week.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-n...082243316.html

Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said this will include compulsory measures in regions with 100 or more new coronavirus cases per 100,000 people over seven days. Above an incidence of 200, distance learning was planned for schools again.

The incidence figure reached a high near 200 in late December, soon after Germany went from a "lockdown lite" that started in early November, during which schools and stores were open, to a full shutdown.

Presently, the containment measures in Germany vary from region to region due to the country's decentralised federal system.

. . .

German health minister Jens Spahn warned that nationwide measures were necessary to break the current wave of coronavirus infections as quickly as possible. He told journalists that there were currently nearly 4,500 COVID-19 patients in intensive care in Germany, adding: "If this continues, it will be too much for our health system." Germany's top public health official said a lockdown lasting two-four weeks was necessary to break the third wave.

[UFO]

Have a look at this site with population predictors for 2025. FYI - Read the disclaimer at the bottom.


https://www.deagel.com/forecast


Pretty weird site as the rest of it is about military equipment.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Montanan

German Chancellor Angela Merkel plans to take control from federal states to impose restrictions on regions with high numbers of new coronavirus infections, a government spokeswoman said, in a battle to curb a third wave of the pandemic. The federal government plans to introduce draft legislation next week.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-n...082243316.html

Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said this will include compulsory measures in regions with 100 or more new coronavirus cases per 100,000 people over seven days. Above an incidence of 200, distance learning was planned for schools again.

The incidence figure reached a high near 200 in late December, soon after Germany went from a "lockdown lite" that started in early November, during which schools and stores were open, to a full shutdown.

Presently, the containment measures in Germany vary from region to region due to the country's decentralised federal system.

. . .

German health minister Jens Spahn warned that nationwide measures were necessary to break the current wave of coronavirus infections as quickly as possible. He told journalists that there were currently nearly 4,500 COVID-19 patients in intensive care in Germany, adding: "If this continues, it will be too much for our health system." Germany's top public health official said a lockdown lasting two-four weeks was necessary to break the third wave.

Horrifying. Germany has a deeply federal constitutional system. For the federal government to override the authority of the Bundesländer is paramount to martial law. It's some kind of nightmare.

[CatNewBee]

Yes, a power grab, nothing new in Germany. It is going on for decades, mass surveillance, eavesdropping, hate speach laws, censorship and shifting power to Brussels as excuse, while using financial power to bribe or put pressure on other governments to follow the socialist / globalist agenda.

[Montanan]

Germany update:

On Sunday, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for disease control reported more than 17,800 new infections and 104 deaths. Despite figures being usually slightly lower on weekends due to less testing, cases are rising significantly compared with a week ago when the RKI registered nearly 12,200 cases and 68 deaths.

According to data from 70 hospitals around the country, more and more young people were being hospitalised with respiratory infections and ICUs were rapidly filling up. The number of people entering intensive care units at Charite has increased significantly over the past two weeks, with the 30-60 age group particularly badly affected because they are less likely to have received a vaccination.

Though most of the hospital's workforce is now vaccinated, but many are suffering from exhaustion and trauma over the many coronavirus-related deaths.

Almost 90 percent of the new cases are caused by the more transmissible B.1.1.7 strain, known as the UK variant.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Germany update:

On Sunday, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for disease control reported more than 17,800 new infections and 104 deaths. Despite figures being usually slightly lower on weekends due to less testing, cases are rising significantly compared with a week ago when the RKI registered nearly 12,200 cases and 68 deaths.

According to data from 70 hospitals around the country, more and more young people were being hospitalised with respiratory infections and ICUs were rapidly filling up. The number of people entering intensive care units at Charite has increased significantly over the past two weeks, with the 30-60 age group particularly badly affected because they are less likely to have received a vaccination.

Though most of the hospital's workforce is now vaccinated, but many are suffering from exhaustion and trauma over the many coronavirus-related deaths.

Almost 90 percent of the new cases are caused by the more transmissible B.1.1.7 strain, known as the UK variant.

If it was racist to call it a Chinese virus according to the PC ingrates.. how come it's okay to say The UK varient, The Brazilian varient and The South African varient..

[Montanan]

Wuhan was up first and is on first. What is on second. Wu is on third.

B.1.1.7. That is the variant that was first discovered in the U.K.

There's also the B.1.351 variant first discovered in South Africa and the P.1 variant, and actually the P.2 variant, which is a descendant of the P.1 variant that was first discovered in Brazil.

And then there is the B.1.427/B.1.429 variant. That's the so-called California variant that was detected in California. And then the B.1.526 variant, which was first detected in New York City.

But seriously, why didn't Covid 1 through 18 evolve to be a pandemic, like Covid 19? And will Covid 20 be worse than Covid 19?

Is Chanel #5 a disease or a therapeutic?

All makes my head spin.