Northern Europe during Pandemic -- Summers 2020 & 2021 & onwards

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

News from UK: 1/3 of all death are vaccinated with 2 shots reports Germany

https://focus.de/13446129

and has an excuse for it... It is statistics...

What media hype. The headline would be much more honest if it said 2/3 of all death are unvaccinated.
And this from the article

Because of the huge differences in mortality between young, healthy people and the risk groups, the imperfect protection afforded by vaccinations has a major impact. If vaccination were to reduce mortality in 85-year-olds by a hypothetical 95 percent, instead of 100 percent as in the studies, they still have a more than 50 times higher risk of death than unvaccinated 25-year-olds with the above figures.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Paul L

What media hype. The headline would be much more honest if it said 2/3 of all death are unvaccinated.
And this from the article

Well it is a German source and there's a strong anti Brexit media and political backlash there, in France and in Brussels where the UK's AstraZeneca has been trashed as useless in favour of Germanys Biontech vaccine.
Blatant political game playing, by on the one hand threatening border closures and bringing law suits for failures of supply over AstraZeneca while at the same time leaving millions of their vaccines in warehouses unused and refusing export of 600,000 to Australia, could the UK trade deal have anything to do with that.???
Politics over plausibility..

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Well it is a German source and there's a strong anti Brexit media and political backlash there, in France and in Brussels where the UK's AstraZeneca has been trashed as useless in favour of Germanys Biontech vaccine.

Blatant political game playing, by on the one hand threatening border closures and bringing law suits for failures of supply over AstraZeneca while at the same time leaving millions of their vaccines in warehouses unused and refusing export of 600,000 to Australia, could the UK trade deal have anything to do with that.???

Politics over plausibility..

Europe doesn’t care about Brexit only the brits get off thinking Europe is fighting them on the beaches etc.

It’s suits the Brexit brits to believe “eurup” is all against the “ plucky Brit underdogs “ type of Bs.

The fact is the EU has arrived at approx the same point in the vaccination schedule as the U.K. due to the U.K. relying on a single vaccine for the majority

Here in Greece you can choose either three for example.

Also whatever metric you use the mRNA vaccines are superior anyway

Oh by the way Europe exported 1/3 of all its vaccine production around the world

The biggest recipient of Europe’s vaccine has been the U.K. receiving significant AZ fron the Netherlands and phizer from Germany ( the U.K. has no phizer production )

Had Germany France and Italy retained all its domestic vaccine production. It would have vaccinated at twice the U.K. rate.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...-vaccinations/

[CatNewBee]

There was an article about Israel with 50% fully vaccinated cases... I guess part of the pushing for more vaccines for new variants and vaccines for childs.

On the other hand lifting of almost all travel restrictions.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Europe doesn’t care about Brexit only the brits get off thinking Europe is fighting them on the beaches etc.

It’s suits the Brexit brits to believe “eurup” is all against the “ plucky Brit underdogs “ type of Bs.

The fact is the EU has arrived at approx the same point in the vaccination schedule as the U.K. due to the U.K. relying on a single vaccine for the majority

Here in Greece you can choose either three for example.

Also whatever metric you use the mRNA vaccines are superior anyway

Oh by the way Europe exported 1/3 of all its vaccine production around the world

The biggest recipient of Europe’s vaccine has been the U.K. receiving significant AZ fron the Netherlands and phizer from Germany ( the U.K. has no phizer production )

Had Germany France and Italy retained all its domestic vaccine production. It would have vaccinated at twice the U.K. rate.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...-vaccinations/

Face it.. Brussels screwed up.. another thing, the UK secured contracts for three jabs, AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna long before the Circus got its act together.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...eca-contracts/

The vaccines taskforce secured 40m doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the first coronavirus shot to be approved by the medicines regulator. The NHS vaccine rollout began on 8 December
The UK has four vaccines approved for use: Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen; three of which require two doses for maximum protection.

Place the blame where it lays... at the door of a bureaucratic system that makes the NHS look efficient..

[CatNewBee]

Yes, the UK is unleashed and can act faster now. I like decentralized systems, more agile.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

Yes, the UK is unleashed and can act faster now. I like decentralized systems, more agile.

Funnily it approved all its current vaccines under the EU approval systems which allows countries to do emergency approvals them selves.

U.K. agile we’ll see , no signs of that yet.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Face it.. Brussels screwed up.. another thing, the UK secured contracts for three jabs, AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna long before the Circus got its act together.



https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...eca-contracts/



The vaccines taskforce secured 40m doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the first coronavirus shot to be approved by the medicines regulator. The NHS vaccine rollout began on 8 December

The UK has four vaccines approved for use: Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen; three of which require two doses for maximum protection.



Place the blame where it lays... at the door of a bureaucratic system that makes the NHS look efficient..

Doesn’t really matter. In the end Europe will largely arrive with a vaccinated population at roughly similar timescales to the U.K.

One can hardly say the U.K. handled COVID well and Boris looks like he may have to row back again from his July 19th free for all

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Doesn’t really matter. In the end Europe will largely arrive with a vaccinated population at roughly similar timescales to the U.K.

One can hardly say the U.K. handled COVID well and Boris looks like he may have to row back again from his July 19th free for all

UK: 2 doses 54.1% 1 dose 74.7%

EU: 2 doses 40.3% 1 dose 61.5%
Not that it matters, but its distribution is where the EU problem lies..
Portugal for example with just 10,675000 people has 2 doses 36.2% and 1 dose 57.2%.
Don't think Boris will row back, not this time unless hospitalisation and deaths really escalate..
Scotland, Wales and N Ireland are yet to decide their strategy.

[CatNewBee]

EU issued a warning regarding efficacy of FFP2, FFP3 and KN95 certified face masks, only 35% efficient, a mainstream news agency reports (n-tv).

[El Pinguino]

Meanwhile back in the colonies - Sydney NSW currently has 350 or so active cases.
Of these 'There are 37 COVID-19 patients in Sydney’s hospitals, including seven in ICU and two ventilated. Fourteen of the people in hospital are under 55 and eight are under 35.

One of the ICU patients is in their 30s.'

Thats from here - https://www.theage.com.au/national/a...08-p587u0.html


I'm not fussed about herd immunity but think we may be looking at a 'culling of the herd' scenario.
I care not a zot if people choose not to get vaccinated, if they wish to remove themselves from the gene pool thats fine by me.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I'm not fussed about herd immunity but think we may be looking at a 'culling of the herd' scenario.
I care not a zot if people choose not to get vaccinated, if they wish to remove themselves from the gene pool thats fine by me.

At last.. a creative and positive attitude to the situation..
Lets face it, Herd Immunity with the Coronavirus is..
To Dream the Impossible Dream..

[El Pinguino]

400 cases in NSW now - up 40 since yesterday. With only 10% of the population fully vaccinated you can say this is what the Delta strain does in an unprotected society

'Forty COVID-19 patients in NSW are now in hospital, with eleven of those in intensive care. Three of those in ICU are on ventilators. Seventeen people admitted to hospital are under 55 and, of those, 10 are under the age of 35. Of the eleven people in ICU, one is in their 30s.'

I'll let people work out their own odds from these figures.

Ping ,
Fully vaccinated in covid free Aotearoa.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

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Fully vaccinated in covid free Aotearoa.

Not quite Covid-free unfortunately - there is one case in MIQ and at least two cases on a commercial fishing vessel based out of New Plymouth. The whole crew recently arrived from Eastern Europe, went through the usual two week quarantine, then boarded the ship as a regular crew rotation. Their test results from day 12 testing in MIQ showed the Covid status - weird that the MIQ system allows leaving quarantine without a negative (or any!) day 12 test result (in these cases apparently the results came on day 16 and by then the crew were out of MIQ, on the ship and at sea).

[laird]

Well here in jolly old England we are getting ready to treat the next phase of covid shots , it's going to be like the annual flu jab , I've known this for a while now ,being one of the team who have to go into red zone ( covid present ) I work as an electrician for the NHS . The management is working towards localised vaccination centre and returning the GP surgeries back to their pre covid status

Generally since April 2020 most of our front line medical staff were seconded to the main hospitals and ICU units leaving a skeleton crew on triage to deal with the run of the mill stuff
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I'm hearing different opinions and rumours ,some say that the AZ vaccine has been tweaked and will make up the third shot ,others say that we will get a mix ,i.e AZ you will receive Pfizer as the third