Northern Europe during Pandemic -- Summers 2020 & 2021 & onwards

[goboatingnow]

I don’t see the point is forcing people that are testing positive to isolate if not actually sick. Everyone is going to get this virus eventually.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I don’t see the point is forcing people that are testing positive to isolate if not actually sick. Everyone is going to get this virus eventually.

Not, and I justify that what's been happening to previous variants. The official explanation is they lost the competition to later variants. Still there are plenty of people not vaccinated nor been sick, potential hosts for alpha and beta variants. So there's a part of population which didn't catch any off them, and reckon a good part won't catch delta+ or omicron variants either. Plaque or smallpox didn't get everybody either so why corona would be different?

[Zippee]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I don’t see the point is forcing people that are testing positive to isolate if not actually sick. Everyone is going to get this virus eventually.

The key word you stated is "eventually". But in this case, Omicron is explosively increasing and because of Delta many hospital systems are already overrun. Add to that the loss of health care workers and specialists needed and simply not available.

What all governments are now fearing is that even though the percentage of serious Omicron cases is low, the tremendous number of cases STILL results in many new admissions needed and that will be very difficult if not impossible to accommodate.

Omicron is not "eventually" - it will all happen in a couple weeks, not over a couple months or more. Testing positive does not mean you won't get sicker, nor that those you pass it to won't either. Thus we all must do everything we can to insure that our hospitals can still serve all needs. In my area, ordinary emergencies (think heart attack or car accidents) are actually being turned away or diverted to distant hospitals - and in some cases not in time. We must use all tools necessary to slow the Omicron (and still existent Delta) as much as possible. Or else.

I do hope you now see the point. Don't cruise without an anchor.

[goboatingnow]

Well it looks in Europe the lockdowns coming. NPHET here has recommended to the GOv to shut all pubs and restaurants at 5pm , and severely limit indoor and outdoor gatherings. Massive disquiet in the hospitality industry

[Dockhead]

This just out:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...-update-dec-17

"Well, Omicron cases are growing really fast. Like explosive, skyrocketing, vertical growth fast. If we continue this rate of spread, I would venture to say that there is no modern day virus that has spread this fast and this far ever before."

Fasten your seat belt. This is happening fast.

A lot of good information in the article, new studies, etc. etc.

Good news is that there is still not a great deal of hospitaliation from Omicron despite the explosive spread.

Bad news is there is more and more evidence that unless you've had a booster, being vaxxed is not much protection. Perhaps from severe outcomes, but not from being infected. Family members of mine have just been infected, an adult and a child. The adult was double vaxxed but without a booster. Cases are relatively mild so far, worse than colds but not as bad as a bad flu. Don't know if it's Omicron or not.

Good explanation in the article why the booster has so much effect. According to this, booster does a lot more than just renew immunity.

[CatNewBee]

Saw yesterday an extensive recent interview with Dr. McCullough and Joe Rogan, worth watching on alternative media, it is a 3h talk.

Regarding Omicron, new study on lung tissues comparing effects of all variants shows Omi is 70 times more infectios on the bronchial tissues than Delta, but 10 times lees infectious on the lung tissue, so that matches more to the behaviour of a common cold and explains why it spreads that fast, but not causes such severe disease and is much milder.

The study is discussed on YT by Dr. Mobeen Syed, also the references are in the description.

https://youtu.be/DwVP96bWA2M

cannot copy links to the study in the YT app, so please do it yourself if you want to review the whole text.

[CatNewBee]

https://youtu.be/_T6C-2FNy8I

Dr. Campbell on the current fugures, the best part comes in the end and leaves us speechless

[dannc]

Originally Posted by CatNewBee

https://youtu.be/_T6C-2FNy8I

Dr. Campbell on the current fugures, the best part comes in the end and leaves us speechless

At the end of the video, Dr. Campbell mentions that NHS had stopped providing free vitamin D supplements.

Yes, it is unreal. The issues is why did they stop? I had to look up the page and was astounded that they free supplements and then stopped, https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...-at-high-risk/

This offer of free vitamin D was only for people at high risk from coronavirus (COVID-19), previously called "clinically extremely vulnerable" people.
...
The offer of free vitamin D was available from September 2020 to February 2021.

Dr. Campbell has mentioned numerous studies about vitamin D and the virus. If one does not have adequate levels of vitamin D, your chances going into the hospital, ICU, or dying from the virus are increased. One's vitamin D level should be between 30 and 100. If one's level is 50+ one's chances of dying from this virus is basically zero and your odds of going to the hospital or ICU are very, very low.

The Irish government released a report on vitamin D earlier in the year. One of doctors, who was part of the report, mentioned that the only common factor they could find when profiling virus patients in the hospital was low vitamin D levels. The report was pushing vitamin D for general health reasons as well as the current pandemic. Yet, I have seen nothing reported in the Irish press that the Irish government has done anything with this information.

To say this is puzzling is an understatement.

Surprisingly, I got an email from the company that has been paid to give out jabs for the virus this week. They now offer FREE vitamin D shots.

Later,
Dan

[goboatingnow]

Back to the future! Pubs and restaurants to close at 8 pm. Indoor venues limited ! Outdoor limited to 50 % capacity.

Travel restrictions ! France excluding UK travelers

Welcome to ground hog day

[laird]

Thank you for reminding me about taking my vitamin d tablet tonight

So far I've only seen and been involved with getting vaccination centres up and running again ,the ones that we moth balled about 3 months past

I think that the figures are much higher than are being reported ,people are self testing using lateral flow kits and not everyone testing positive is registering their findings with a doctor

One threat that I see coming from omicron is that there will be tens of thousands self isolating at home and this in turn will effect the various mechanisms running a country

[Montanan]

Covid will become an endemic disease as early as 2024, Pfizer executives said Friday, meaning the virus will transition from a global emergency to a constant presence causing regional outbreaks across the world — much like the flu.

"We believe Covid will transition to an endemic state, potentially by 2024," Nanette Cocero, global president of Pfizer Vaccines, said during an investor call Friday.

Covid-19 would reach the endemic level when populations have enough immunity from vaccines or from prior infections to keep transmissions, hospitalizations and deaths under control even as the virus circulates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp

[Montanan]

Martin Luther's thoughts

[davil]

Originally Posted by davil

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/

More Than 8.53 Billion Shots
Given: Covid-19 Tracker
In the U.S., 485 million doses have been administered
Updated: December 14, 2021, 6:34 PM EST

The Guardian
A terrible tragedy’: US passes 800,000 Covid deaths – highest in the world
Figure deemed doubly heartbreaking amid widespread availability of vaccines, as WHO warns Omicron is spreading at unprecedented rate

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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/
More Than 8.65 Billion Shots
Given: Covid-19 Tracker
In the U.S., 490 million doses have been administered
Updated: December 17, 2021, 3:34 PM EST

[Montanan]

A previous Covid-19 recovery provides little shield against infection with the omicron variant, a research team from Imperial College London showed in a large study that underlines the importance of booster shots.


https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-globa...rt-49-Omicron/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...?ocid=msedgntp

Having had Covid probably only offers 19% protection against omicron, the study showed on Friday. That was roughly in line with two doses of vaccine, which the team estimated were as much as 20% effective against omicron. Adding a booster dose helped dramatically, blocking an estimated 55% to 80% of symptomatic cases.


"Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta,"

. . .

There was no evidence of omicron cases being less severe than delta, based on the proportion of people testing positive who had symptoms or went to the hospital "We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta,"

. . .

The proportion of omicron among all Covid cases was probably doubling every two days up to Dec. 11, the U.K. team said, estimating that every person infected with the variant passed it on to more than three other people.

[davil]

History of Pandemics

Different sources including
Open by Johan Norberg

In 165 CE, Rome was flourishing.
At the height of the epidemic, there were fatalities of up to 2,000 people per day, according to Roman sources. In total, about 7-10% of the population of the Roman Empire was killed, expanding from Spain and Italy to Greece, Asia Minor, and even Egypt and North Africa.


It was known as the "Black Death" during the fourteenth century, causing an estimated 50 million deaths, approximately half of them in Asia and Africa and the other half in Europe, where a quarter of the population succumbed.


The Justinian plague struck in the sixth century and is estimated to have killed between 30 and 50 million people—about half the world's population at that time—as it spread across Asia, North Africa, Arabia, and Europe. ..

Spanish flu, also known as the Great Influenza epidemic or the 1918 influenza pandemic, was an exceptionally deadly global influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. The earliest documented case was March 1918 in Kansas, United States, with further cases recorded in France, Germany and the United Kingdom in April. Two years later, nearly a third of the global population, or an estimated 500 million people, had been infected in four successive waves. Estimates of deaths range from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.

Covid 19

Cases
273M

Deaths
5.34M