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goboatingnow · 22-02-2022, 04:05

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Originally Posted by Buster Brown

What have you done that is more responsible? Receiving a vaccine that has failed in preventing you from getting or transmitting a virus? Wearing a mask that is nothing more of a symbol that you care?

The evidence is the vaccine has reduced the severity of the illness. It’s a responsible thing to get the vaccine as otherwise I become an unnecessary risk for my healthcare system.

That’s enough for me to take it ( 3 shots )

I’m not a fan of masks ( the very limited mandates are now being completely lifted here ) but I viewed it as a minor inconvenience and it seems to have offered comfort to certain groups. I’m happy to contribute to their comfort by wearing it where mandated.

By and large I’ve been subjected to very minimal restrictions. I bought a boat in Greece during Covid , flew around Europe looking at boats and had a full 7 months cruising last year in the med. I dined in restaurants , drank in bars , met friends and socialised.

The minor restrictions were largely inconveniences rather then any serious impositions none had any significant impact on my freedoms or restricted my ability to achieve what I wanted.

I supported the social distancing objectives as this was the key factor in reducing the speed of the spread pre Omicron , I support the vaccinations ( as did 94% of my countrymen )as an effective way to reduce the severity of the illness and I accepted limited mask wearing even though I felt it’s a very minor ( if at all ) advantage.

Greg K · 22-02-2022, 05:29

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

The evidence is the vaccine has reduced the severity of the illness. It’s a responsible thing to get the vaccine as otherwise I become an unnecessary risk for my healthcare system.

That’s enough for me to take it ( 3 shots )

Not enough for me, and many others, especially with long term effects being unknown. I took Ivermectin and it stopped the illness in its tracks in three days. Should I feel bad about my choice?

Instead of hating on people who have made an informed decision not to take an experimental inoculation why don't vaccine shills like you and Montanan direct your hostility at the FDA and CDC for suppressing known early treatments such as Ivermectin which could have prevented the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands in the US alone?

hedgeworth · 22-02-2022, 06:34

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Originally Posted by Montanan

Indeed, the medical community is pretty much done with the Covidiots. Our medical community were the one's having to face the most risk during the first year of the pandemic back when there was little knowledge of the virus, and before vaccines were developed and issued. They did not shirk from their chosen professions; they stepped forward and confronted the danger head on, with endurance and braveness and compassion. I will be forever grateful and respectful of them.

Recalling how I really got upset earlier on the pandemic when I saw a bunch of protesters standing outside the County Court house ranting about mask mandates, carrying semi-automatic long guns, dressed in camo, and quasi tactical gear, looking all Rambo like. I parked my car and confronted them, telling them how ridiculous it was to be bringing a gun to a virus fight. I knew one of the yahoos, a father of two beautiful young girls, a nice enough chap, so I loudly asked him in front of the others if he also brought his gun to the pediatrician's office when his daughters received their routine childhood vaccinations so that they could be admitted to elementary school. Grown, immature men and women, packing weapons of war, yammering stupidity, whilst on the lawn of a civilized society's judicial chambers.

I asked:

So who or what are you prepared to fight?
Nary a single utterance of response. Tough guys made to look dumb and feel really small and embarrassed.

So are you going to shot someone, or are you going to go get your shots?
Again, silence.

Then I told them: Just go home and be ashamed of yourselves. Go on, GET!

The Sheriff came over and thanked me for causing the gun toting crowd to disburse. I had merely said what he was thinking but which he could not say in his legal position. The Sheriff and I get along quite well.

No amount of camouflage clothing or tactical gear or high-capacity magazines of bullets was going to provide anyone with protection from a highly transmissible virus. Those gun nuts were far from being any part of a well-regulated militia. Well-regulated militias are routinely vaccinated. George Washington saw to that with the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War.

To this day, I find it hard to accept the reality that so many people can be so damned stupid and belligerent.
There is freedom and then there is freedumb. Far too much Freedumb has been community spread. Just saying and believing.

So looking forward to the day, when Covid can for the most part be put behind us.

I am disappointed that we will not have learned the mistakes and misinformation from this pandemic and will have the same occur again during the next pandemic.

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Van Der Beek · 22-02-2022, 06:41

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Originally Posted by Buster Brown

What have you done that is more responsible? Receiving a vaccine that has failed in preventing you from getting or transmitting a virus? Wearing a mask that is nothing more of a symbol that you care?

They erroneously believe that undergoing irreversible medical procedures injecting themselves with experimental drugs is to demonstrate responsibility to their collective.

They believe that those who decides not to participate are biohazards that poses an existential threat to those that did.

They fail to understand that unless Big Pharma are grifters injecting them with placebos those that opted out wouldn't pose a threat to those that did.

It's about conformity.
Individually scares them, so does personal responsibility and freedom, which is why they want to get rid of it, which is why they want government to think and decide for them.

They see you and I and anyone like us as disease that should no longer be allowed to participate in society, unless vaxxed and boosted, hence why they are ardent supporters of governments push for imposed "mandates".

At this point it's a bit like mutants VS humans. Or the Borg collective VS humans.

**GordMay** · 22-02-2022, 06:45

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Originally Posted by Greg K

... I took Ivermectin and it stopped the illness in its tracks in three days ...

How were you diagnosed with Covid19?
Was Ivermectin prescribed, by a doctor?
What dosage, and form of Invermectin did you take, on what schedule?
Did it have any concomitant medications inlcuded (eg: doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, zinc, corticosteroids)?
What was the manner of ingestion?
Did you perceive any side effects [eg:dizziness, pruritis, nausea, or diarrhea]?

Lake-Effect · 22-02-2022, 07:23

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Originally Posted by Greg K

I took Ivermectin and it stopped the illness in its tracks in three days. Should I feel bad about my choice?

Instead of hating on people who have made an informed decision not to take an experimental inoculation why don't vaccine shills like you and Montanan direct your hostility at the FDA and CDC for suppressing known early treatments such as Ivermectin which could have prevented the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands in the US alone

Gord said everything but what we're all thinking: bullsh!t

You don't know what worked, or whether you just sailed through a mild case, like most healthy adults.

If Ivermectin worked sufficiently, it would be in use globally, including the US. But it doesn't. Period. End of story.

**boatman61** · 22-02-2022, 07:33

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Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

You don't know what worked, or whether you just sailed through a mild case, like most healthy adults.

That's why we question the mandates and passports..
Most healthy adults sail through it, so do most healthy senior citizens.. vaccinate the vulnerable and leave the remaining free to choose.. skip the threats of loss of job, income, home and everything else.
And don't start on that 'Transmission' hype.. its getting old.

Anyway.. regarding freedom.. we lost that when the banks (with the collusion of Governments) seized control of our lives.. all the above are not possible without a bank account unless your prepared to live on slave wages and in over priced hovels or on the street

Greg K · 22-02-2022, 07:46

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Originally Posted by GordMay

How were you diagnosed with Covid19?
Was Ivermectin prescribed, by a doctor?
What dosage, and form of Invermectin did you take, on what schedule?
Did it have any concomitant medications inlcuded (eg: doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, zinc, corticosteroids)?
What was the manner of ingestion?
Did you perceive any side effects [eg:dizziness, pruritis, nausea, or diarrhea]?

Used rapid antigen test at home.
Didn't see a doctor.
Took Ivernom 6mg pills ( followed dosage protocol on page 24 of FLCCC pdf below. Added NAC to the protocol but did not take melatonin.)
No side effects what so ever.
66 years old.

Inform yourself. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...f-COVID-19.pdf

FAQ https://covid19criticalcare.com/iver...on-ivermectin/

Greg K · 22-02-2022, 07:55

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Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Gord said everything but what we're all thinking: bullsh!t

You don't know what worked, or whether you just sailed through a mild case, like most healthy adults.

If Ivermectin worked sufficiently, it would be in use globally, including the US. But it doesn't. Period. End of story.

You have absolutely no idea how deep your ignorance is. Do yourself a favor and read Kennedy's book.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/sh...-anthony-fauci

Lake-Effect · 22-02-2022, 08:11

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Originally Posted by boatman61

That's why we question the mandates and passports..
Most healthy adults sail through it, so do most healthy senior citizens.. vaccinate the vulnerable and leave the remaining free to choose.. skip the threats of loss of job, income, home and everything else.
And don't start on that 'Transmission' hype.. its getting old.

You are apparently unaware of the impracticalities of "protecting the vulnerable". Who qualifies as vulnerable? How do you protect them? Especially if there's no vaccine mandate on healthcare or support workers? btw, Montanan posted recent US data showing that hospitalizations now have a greater percentage of unvaccinated, healthy 30 to 40 yr olds. Suggesting that most of the US vulnerable are now protected. Or dead.

It would have been impractical and ineffective over the whole course of the pandemic to just protect the vulnerable. Anyway, this is all moot now, right? For better or worse, mandates and restrictions are dropping away, including in the UK, and protection from COVID will become mainly a personal matter. This is what you want to see, yes?

Lake-Effect · 22-02-2022, 08:14

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Originally Posted by Greg K

You have absolutely no idea how deep your ignorance is. Do yourself a favor and read Kennedy's book.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/sh...-anthony-fauci

You're not a doctor, I'm not a doctor, and one book from ONE antivaxxer isn't going to change that materially.

goboatingnow · 22-02-2022, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Greg K

Not enough for me, and many others, especially with long term effects being unknown. I took Ivermectin and it stopped the illness in its tracks in three days. Should I feel bad about my choice?

Instead of hating on people who have made an informed decision not to take an experimental inoculation why don't vaccine shills like you and Montanan direct your hostility at the FDA and CDC for suppressing known early treatments such as Ivermectin which could have prevented the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands in the US alone?

Im not a vaccine shrill, I merely see the advantages of it and I took it and I'm happy to state I did and for the reasons I did

as for Invermectin sure why not try rat posion too

"The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".

Major problems included:

The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people
Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random
Numbers unlikely to occur naturally
Percentages calculated incorrectly
Local health bodies unaware of the studies
The scientists in the group - Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, Dr James Heathers, Dr Nick Brown and Dr Sheldrick - each have a track record of exposing dodgy science. They've been working together remotely on an informal and voluntary basis during the pandemic.

They formed a group looking deeper into ivermectin studies after biomedical student Jack Lawrence spotted problems with an influential study from Egypt. Among other issues, it contained patients who turned out to have died before the trial started. It has now been retracted by the journal that published it.

The group of independent scientists examined virtually every randomised controlled trial (RCT) on ivermectin and Covid - in theory the highest quality evidence - including all the key studies regularly cited by the drug's promoters.

RCTs involve people being randomly chosen to receive either the drug which is being tested or a placebo - a dummy drug with no active properties.

....

The team also looked at six particularly influential observational trials. This type of trial looks at what happens to people who are taking the drug anyway, so can be biased by the types of people who choose to take the treatment.

Out of a total of 26 studies examined, there was evidence in five that the data may have been faked - for example they contained virtually impossible numbers or rows of identical patients copied and pasted.

In a further five there were major red flags - for example, numbers didn't add up, percentages were calculated incorrectly or local health bodies weren't aware they had taken place.

On top of these flawed trials, there were 14 authors of studies who failed to send data back. The independent scientists have flagged this as a possible indicator of fraud."

goboatingnow · 22-02-2022, 08:28

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Originally Posted by Greg K

You have absolutely no idea how deep your ignorance is. Do yourself a favor and read Kennedy's book.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/sh...-anthony-fauci

ah yes

"Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954) is an American environmental lawyer, author, conspiracy theorist[1][2][3] and anti-vaccine propagandist"

goboatingnow · 22-02-2022, 08:30

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leave the remaining free to choose.. skip the threats of loss of job, income, home and everything else.

There was no mandatory vaccination process here, no coercion, ( even for healthcare the Gov decided not in the end to request mandatory vaccination )

funnily 94% of adults took the shots