The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Catarama

.....By the way, I support the vaxed, unvaxed and everyone who wants to make their own decision, FREELY. Cause what's happening in Australia is your freedom is going, going, you know what's next.... May have to live at sea.. Love to you all....

Do you support my right to drive on which ever side of the road suits me? As slowly or quickly as I like? What about my right to own a thermonuclear device, support me on that?

[Catarama]

Originally Posted by sailingabe41ds

In the US there is a group of doctors called americanfrontlinedoctors ..listen to another point of view and educate yourself.. The FDA is about to approve a vaccine the under the government reporting system VAERS has killed 13000 in the US alone. The reason they do not endorse any early treatment is because by law the would have to end the emergency vaccine program. We use to pull off vaccine or drug if it killed more than 25 people.
Anyone wonders how an empoverished country like India and African continent has done so well after a rough start? India provides a kit with D C Zinc Hydroychloroquine and now Invermectin to everybody and rec early treatment. Doctors are being sensored if you talk about it. We have no freedom of ideas anymore in the US.
It is sad what is happening in Australia for a disease that rarely kills healthy people under 40. We are vaccinating pregnant women and children without knowing the ill effects. Sadly this is more about politicians...government...medical industrial complex maintaining and keeping power than about keeping us safe and healthy. Never thought I see the day that the Western democracies would treat their citizens like the old USSR or China.
People should look at Sweden and
US so called RED states...they are open and doing as well or better than these locked down countries and Blue states.
I have practiced medicine for over 30 years...never in a million years thought I see the day of forced vaccinations on pregnant women and children with a vaccine which nobody knows the long term affects and currently hurting people while at the same time preventing people from getting early treatment.
Do your home work..and research. Think outside the box. Do not trust governments.. corps..agencies who financial and political gains by continuing the current course.
I pray for those in Australia...New Zealand...and the people in some States in the US. There is a reason that the people of the most progressive locked down State..California..is recalling their governor.
Since this a sailing site..seriously...we sailors can not go sailing because we are going to spread covid off the coast..or surfers arrested because they are super spreaders....open your eyes ..don't be a sheeple. Today is vaccines....tomorrow...who knows?

Abe

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

Well at least I know who not to go to if I need a 'doctor' in California.

Sure would like to see where that '13,000' number comes from.

I'd suggest anyone thinking of believing such poppycock read this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2P21CV

These are a couple of America's Frontline 'Doctors';

Simone Melissa Gold (née Tizes; born 1965/1966) is an American anti-vaccine activist, physician, attorney, author, and the founder of America's Frontline Doctors, an American right-wing political organization known for spreading misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic. She gained notoriety when a video of an America's Frontline Doctors press conference in front of the US Supreme Court Building went viral in July 2020.

On January 5, 2021, Gold spoke at a rally in Washington D.C., telling attendees to refuse to be vaccinated for COVID-19 and the next day took part in the 2021 United States Capitol attack. She spoke from the rotunda of the Capitol and was later arrested for her participation in the storming, having admitted she entered the building.

And who can forget Stella Immanuel...

HMMM. Nelson Mandella... Mahatma Gandhi... Pests or the PEOPLES HERO'S arrested, persecuted and jailed. (aussie spellin)

[Uncle Bob]

Love it when the CT nutters come out to play.
Sadly they are the ones to wail and gnash their teeth when something goes wrong and the Gubberment is always to blame.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

I'm fairly certain they are destroy-able with UV or microwaves, or ozone or something which would be fairly easy to install in a centralized system or you could just not recirculate any air and keep the isolation rooms positively pressured. I suspect that after this pandemic it will become a requirement for high density accommodation anyway. . . .
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The standard solution is HEPA filtration. I've installed it in hotels I've built even before the pandemic and sure won't be building any more now without it.


It's fairly costly but not all that uncommon in well-built hotels. Don't know if this is common in Oz hotels, but it can be retrofitted in most cases.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Crikey RayR, don't you ever fact check anything or are you knowingly posting incorrect stuff?

Or have you been going out and about in the Queensland noonday sun too much...

https://www.wellcamp.com.au

There are no "port of entry" passenger flights from overseas, only freight.

Context mate, context is all.

Thanks Dockhead, I didn't know what but I knew there's have to be something.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

There are no "port of entry" passenger flights from overseas, only freight.

Context mate, context is all.

Thanks Dockhead, I didn't know what but I knew there's have to be something.

And how difficult would it be to fix that? A nissan hut and a few trestle tables along with a couple of Dutton's Black Shirts. Job done.

[RaymondR]

One should be mindful that the term "quarantine" is not just applicable to humans it applies to plants and animals as well, which is why if you clear in in a boat riddled with exotic borers it is likely to be completely wrapped in plastic and bombarded with adeluge of nasty chemicals by AQIS. The power to do this is invested in the Commonwealth of Australia and the situation is fairly clear when it comes to termites.

However things get a bit more murky when it comes to people because once you manage to get out through the airport door and off the airport premises you step out of federal and into a state jurisdiction which includes health matters. If you go into a hospital and a doctor says you have an infectious disease and will be put into an isolation ward thats where you are going until the doctor lets you out under state laws.

It was Dangerous Dan and his mob who designated the quarantine facility and who hired the bouncers under state authority not anyone in the federal government. Whilst section 51 gives the federal government quarantine authority over the national boundaries the states have authority over health matters within state boundaries.

Those of us with more than a three minute attention span may recall that the federal government offered the Victorian government manpower assistance to help with quarantine security it being refused as they preferred the night club bouncers due to them being of the correct union affiliation.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

I'm fairly certain they are destroy-able with UV or microwaves, or ozone or something which would be fairly easy to install in a centralized system or you could just not recirculate any air and keep the isolation rooms positively pressured. I suspect that after this pandemic it will become a requirement for high density accommodation anyway.

The problem with locking them away out of the cities is that you also lock them away from the extensive services, including medical, available in the cities. It's actually a sort of medieval "begone unclean" solution. This is probably why the federal government chose only to make some of the remote, mothballed, illegal immigrant detention centres available.

The problem with the Toowoomba thing announced by the Queensland government is that it's too far from the primary air and maritime entrance ports as is the federal government proposed facility near the port and airport in Brisbane. At the moment the one in Toowoomba is an air freight only airport.

Prime minister Morrison foresaw the problems that the pandemic would create and attempted to form a cooperative decision making body with his national cabinet. That he has not been able to achieve this is no fault of his. Face to face the state premiers will commit to an agreed agenda but as soon as they leave the room their political instincts override any commitments made. Such has it always been. Another one of Mr Keating's adages was "Never stand between a state premier and a bucket of money." Or in other terms "greed will always prevail over the national interest with these people".

Its about 100 kilometres from Toowoomba to Brisbane by air ambulance. Probably quicker from there than by road from Pinkenba.

Which 'remote, mothballed, illegal immigrant detention centres' has the Prime Muppet used apart from the disgusting facilities on Christmas Island for a very short period early last year?
The Howard Springs facility was built for FIFO construction workers on the Ichthys gas project.

And also, re Toowoombah, I just realized that if they already have international airfreight arriving there they already have a Border Farce presence.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

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It was Dangerous Dan and his mob who designated the quarantine facility and who hired the bouncers under state authority not anyone in the federal government. Whilst section 51 gives the federal government quarantine authority over the national boundaries the states have authority over health matters within state boundaries.

Those of us with more than a three minute attention span may recall that the federal government offered the Victorian government manpower assistance to help with quarantine security it being refused as they preferred the night club bouncers due to them being of the correct union affiliation.

Lots of mistakes made in the early days, look at the 'Ruby Princess' fiasco and how everyone involved in that - NSW and Federal - ran and hid from the inquiry.

I see the report that came out the other day blames it all on the department of agriculture

Moving right along - Pell is still a pedo who got off on a technicality. I see you managed to get him into the thread yesterday.

[sailingabe41ds]

The reality of living in the US under the present administration. Over 200,000 cross the border illegally as the Biden administration has an open border policy. . ... close to a million a MILLION illegal undocumented people this year. Twenty five % with covid and all most all unvaccinated. Yet if you are legally trying to cross from Canada...vaccinated and Covid negative...sorry you can't. These people are being transported by busses and planes across the country and we wonder why Covid is going up in the US again. It happened where I live where the ICU in my local hospital was getting full of Covid patients almost all from out of the country because the border hospitals could not manage. It screwed our stats....so now we have new mask mandates and perhaps closing businesses again.
Do not know what is worse...Canada and NZ extreme lockdowns but at least they are trying to prevent new cases from outside or a government who does not care about protecting its population?
How long can your country take this type of mass migration before it goes broke and have another massive Covid spike...and not wait for the middle east to come to our ashore after the disaster that is going on. Some politicians in the US want to take 1 million.....Meantime families are loosing their jobs, homes, because the government is forcing them to stay home and close their businesses down.


Abe

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

There are no "port of entry" passenger flights from overseas, only freight.

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The first international passenger flight departed Wellcamp airport on 22 October 2106 boarding 250 passengers on an Airbus A330. Picture attached.

Since RPT flights commenced on 17 November 2014, well over 300,000 passengers have passed through the terminal. On 11 November 2016, the airport was designated as an international airport.

So yeah, Wellcamp is well suited to take incoming quarantine passengers from anywhere.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Wotname

The first international passenger flight departed Wellcamp airport on 22 October 2106 boarding 250 passengers on an Airbus A330. Picture attached.

Since RPT flights commenced on 17 November 2014, well over 300,000 passengers have passed through the terminal. On 11 November 2016, the airport was designated as an international airport.

So yeah, Wellcamp is well suited to take incoming quarantine passengers from anywhere.

Golly... things move rather slowly up there.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Its about 100 kilometres from Toowoomba to Brisbane by air ambulance. Probably quicker from there than by road from Pinkenba.

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In addition, Toowoomba is well serviced by both public and private hospitals as well as many specialist medical services. .

IIRC, Toowoomba Base is a public teaching hospital with over 300 beds while St Andrews is private 155-bed, acute care private hospital and St Vincent's is a full service private hospital with 190+ beds.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Golly... things move rather slowly up there.

Haha - a small typo maybe but it depends on your idea of slow.

Wellcamp is Australia's first and only privately funded major airport. Plans were submitted in 2012 and construction began in April 2013. The first aircraft landed there in November that year. The first terminal construction began in January 2104 and was completed in 6 months. RPT operations began November 2014. The first 747 landed there a year later.

How's progress on Sydney third airport going?

[El Pinguino]

Moving right along -
With Slomo wanting to 'open up' at 70/80% when is he planning to start opening our international borders?
He has said that Jacinda is a dill for thinking you can still have 'covid zero' - I don't think he will ever forgive Unzud for sacking him from that tourism job.
So he is quite happy letting the states deal with 'opening at 70%' while he stands in the wings but seems remarkably risk averse when it comes to international borders where it could come and bite him on the bum.