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El Pinguino · 28-08-2021, 01:43

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How's progress on Sydney third airport going?

Up there with the fast rail link to Tulla .

**Wotname** · 28-08-2021, 01:49

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Originally Posted by Wotname

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How's progress on Sydney third airport going?

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Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Up there with the fast rail link to Tulla .

A race between the turtle and the tortoise no doubt - even the pandemic will likely be over before one of them crosses the line.

**boatman61** · 28-08-2021, 09:37

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Originally Posted by Wotname

A race between the turtle and the tortoise no doubt - even the pandemic will likely be over before one of them crosses the line.

Some good news for you Wottie..

AstraZeneca vaccine is the best at keeping people out of hospital

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/med...?ocid=msedgntp

Anders · 28-08-2021, 11:19

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Originally Posted by boatman61

Some good news for you Wottie..

AstraZeneca vaccine is the best at keeping people out of hospital

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/med...?ocid=msedgntp

According to the tabloid AZ is better at keeping you out of hospital if getting covid despite fully vaccinated what the tabloid does not say is that if you get the better Pfizer you are less likely to catch covid!

**boatman61** · 28-08-2021, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Anders

According to the tabloid AZ is better at keeping you out of hospital if getting covid despite fully vaccinated what the tabloid does not say is that if you get the better Pfizer you are less likely to catch covid!

Who says that Pfizer is better.. you.???
From what I hear it wears off faster than the AZ and is crap against the Delta variant... read it properly..

jimbunyard · 28-08-2021, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Gerrit Coetzee

I hope they bring a vaccine against stupidity too. But I discard hope.

Ah, but those that need them most refuse to take them. How paradoxical...

By the way, all the 'reasons' in your post are the complete opposite of the truth, and are very easily shown to be lies.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

C420sailor · 28-08-2021, 14:19

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Originally Posted by boatman61

Who says that Pfizer is better.. you.???
From what I hear it wears off faster than the AZ and is crap against the Delta variant... read it properly..

Pfizer is already working on a booster against Delta.

goboatingnow · 28-08-2021, 14:43

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Pfizer is already working on a booster against Delta.

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**JPA Cate** · 28-08-2021, 15:10

Five off topic posts have been removed.

Please note, this thread is about Australia and living with Covid; it has nothing whatsoever to do with US issues.

**Wotname** · 28-08-2021, 15:14

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Five off topic posts have been removed.

Please note, this thread is about Australia and living with Covid; it has nothing whatsoever to do with US issues.

Cadence · 28-08-2021, 15:26

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Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Five off topic posts have been removed.

Please note, this thread is about Australia and living with Covid; it has nothing whatsoever to do with US issues.

Cate,
I was enjoying learning something about political views from down under. All taken with a grain of salt.

**Wotname** · 28-08-2021, 15:32

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Cate,
I was enjoying learning something about political views from down under. All taken with a grain of salt.

I saw the now removed posts before they got the chop. They were all crazy rants about conspiracy stuff in the US and nothing about any Aussie stuff.

Your learning programme has not been interrupted

karkauai · 28-08-2021, 17:13

So let me get this straight...as a 73 y/o physician who gets vaccinated every year for flu, and has gotten vaccines for all the childhood illnesses, tetanus, yellow fever, polio,...
Covid vaccines are a new technology, no long term double-blind studies have been completed (and the original placebo cohorts of the Phizer vaccine, ?others?, were given the vaccine after just a few months for "humanitarian reasons", breaking all the rules of medical research, and making it impossible to know what long-term effects there may be). The vaccines admittedly don't prevent one from getting or spreading Covid. The only claim is that they mitigate the severity of the disease.
The "gold standard" for diagnosing Covid 19 is said to be the PCR-RT test, but by the Spring of 2020, it was known that the Cycle Threshold (Ct) used was so high (40+, when the Ct that correctly identifies 99+% of true positives is 20-25) that it gave 80+% false positives (written in a NYT article in June 2020, citing a peer review article). The WHO and CDC on Jan 21, 2021 changed the recommended Ct to 35, then a couple months ago to 27, finally a reasonable number. So how many people really have had Covid? CDC says 35million US citizens, one in 10. How many people do you know? How many have had anything more than a +PCR? It is well documented now that the risk of dying from Covid is about 0.2%, but if you separate the children and healthy young adults, their risk is 1000-fold less.
Since the beginning of the pandemic, the CDC recommended that any patient who dies within 28 days of a positive Covid test be reported as a "Covid-related" death. Despite 80+% of PCR tests being false positives.
Covid mRNA vaccines are new technology in humans. They take over your cells protein-producing organelles, the ribosomes) to produce the "spike" protein of the viral coat, and the body then produces antibodies (?and T-cells?) against that protein. When you get sick from the virus, you produce antibodies and t-cells against many different parts of the virus. A significant mutation in the spike protein would render your vaccine-induced antibodies useless, whereas natural immunity would likely still be effective.

There is a large and growing body of evidence that other, proven safe, treatments that have been around for decades are every bit (more?) as effective in mitigating the severity of Covid infection as mRNA vaccines.

Given all these factors, I have chosen to wait until I am convinced that the vaccines are really
"safe and effective". If I were older and or had serious underlying health issues, I would probably get the vaccine. I socially distance when I enter any establishment that asks me to wear a mask, etc.

Yet there are those of you who condemn me for not getting vaccinated, for weighing the pros and cons thoughtfully and not buying into the Narrative we are being fed every day. There are even those of you who would restrict my movement, disallow me from going to a restaurant or grocery store, or fine me for not doing what you think I should do. I suggest that you look into what I have said above. It is the truth as best I can decipher.