The Reality of Living in Australia and Covid

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Chile, ok but still questionable , Pinochet was not what we would call a very democratic leader and i think you will still find many people there have not so fond memories of that time.
A country can develop and may be Chile is on that way.

I think we are hijacking this forum for a person discussion but i am sitting in a Marina waiting so i have time.

I do have a question for you.

If you are so fond of Chile and you have a boat in that region , what made you decide to pack your bags and run back to Australia?

I always find it difficult to talk to people that tell me it is all so much better elsewhere but then they come running to muma OZ when the **** hit the fan.

Just so that you dont wonder and waste your time , i am NOT an Australian citizen , i live here by choice but i hold a different passport. My Passport country also advised me to come runni9ng home when the little virus came out but i made the decission not to.

By the way i believe that Chile as a country is intriging and in parts very beautiful.

No, I didn't come running home when the poo hit the fan.

I have kept my boat in Chile since 2004 - apart from a year or so in Argentina and the FI and another year and a bit when I took her back TO NZ for overhaul.

Typically I was spending six months of the year over there. Took her up to Ecuador in late 19 on an 'Aduana' run. Came home to Oz for Christmas. Was due to fly back on 28th March 2020. That didn't happen.

Meanwhile - back on topic -
'Mr Gatt ( head of the police association or union ) said that “we need to stop nancy-pansying around these people, and we need to stop this needless debate about the proportionality, issues of what’s right and what’s wrong”.

Sounds like they may go 'the full Queensland copper'

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Re the above and several of your following posts, dingo:

Have you considered the difference between 1 second whilst trying to subdue a violently resisting man in the midst of a hostile and active crowd and nine minutes of kneeling on the neck of a subdued, cuffed and passive man, surrounded by non-participating neighborhood folks?

I see a substantial difference, as would most thoughtful folks. These cops were doing their job pretty well IMO, unlike those in the BLM situation.

Jim

Hi Jim, nice to hear from you. I hope you are making good use of the power in the Marina , i still remember the winter.

In regards to your point , well i do see similarities there and in my view all the stuff that we had to endure because of BLM really has not taught us much. I dont think that even another death would teach anything , thats just the way we humans are.

I am just saying that we should not as a blanket say that anyone that is against the vaccine or against the lockdowns automatically become an enemie of the State. You know where i am right now so i look into Victoria through the glasses of someone that is not effected but i feel very worried for victorians and the way they have been treated through this pandamic. The loss of personal freedom temporarely is acceptable if it serves the greater good but i see bad bad things happening in Victoria and they concern me greatly.
You know my background so when i say to you that a once democratecly elected leader because the worlds biggest dictator you might understand that those things have happened because a large portion of the population was just silently following. I am not against rules but make sure the rules do not supress what you call the First amendment. Virus or no virus we must protect demopcracy at all cost. " Democracy is only ever one generation away from being taken away".

Jim pls. give my regards to Ann and i hope to see you one day again may be in Tassie.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

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Meanwhile - back on topic -
'Mr Gatt ( head of the police association or union ) said that “we need to stop nancy-pansying around these people, and we need to stop this needless debate about the proportionality, issues of what’s right and what’s wrong”.

Sounds like they may go 'the full Queensland copper'

Joh favoured the catch and release style of coppering... not much need for magistrates in Joh country, more of an educational approach.

A former banana bender, I recall the heady Joh days - nick 'em, bash 'em and chuck 'em out before breakie. If you had to nick 'em a second time, educate 'em a bit more.

Not many convictions ever recorded - guess it was crime free .

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

No, I didn't come running home when the poo hit the fan.

I have kept my boat in Chile since 2004 - apart from a year or so in Argentina and the FI and another year and a bit when I took her back TO NZ for overhaul.

Typically I was spending six months of the year over there. Took her up to Ecuador in late 19 on an 'Aduana' run. Came home to Oz for Christmas. Was due to fly back on 28th March 2020. That didn't happen.

Meanwhile - back on topic -
'Mr Gatt ( head of the police association or union ) said that “we need to stop nancy-pansying around these people, and we need to stop this needless debate about the proportionality, issues of what’s right and what’s wrong”.

Sounds like they may go 'the full Queensland copper'

On a personal note , i am sorry to hear that you got caught up in the virus , if things do work out you might be able to go back next year which is a long time.

If we come to the point where we agree that it is a needless debate what's right or wrong , well i think we then have passed the point of no return. Let us hope it will never happen.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Joh favoured the catch and release style of coppering... not much need for magistrates in Joh country, more of an educational approach.

A former banana bender, I recall the heady Joh days - nick 'em, bash 'em and chuck 'em out before breakie. If you had to nick 'em a second time, educate 'em a bit more.

Not many convictions ever recorded - guess it was crime free .

Sir Joh also invented the trading in brown paper bags , he was way ahead of his time in thinking as he already saw the plastic bags being outlawed!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Sir Joh also invented the trading in brown paper bags , he was way ahead of his time in thinking as he already saw the plastic bags being outlawed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, the two cowboy states where in the east, the premier was receiving large brown paper bags and in the west, the premier was distributing large brown paper bays and in a small attempt to keep this cruising related, Alan Bond (the nemesis of Rhode Island Yacht Club) was one of the many recipients.

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Yep, the two cowboy states where in the east, the premier was receiving large brown paper bags and in the west, the premier was distributing large brown paper bays and in a small attempt to keep this cruising related, Alan Bond (the nemesis of Rhode Island Yacht Club) was one of the many recipients.

I was in biz in those years and well the Bond and Skase where the Australian Idols.
Good years in business.

Bond being Bond sure there is a lot a dirty stuff still to be uncovered but one thing i have to say , i was glued to the TV set and i will never forget that moment , he sure made history and put Australia on the Map. Let's not forget Ben Lexcen , when that boat came out of the water and our american friends saw the magic.

Times have changed but i never want to forget that moment.

[pdjb]

WE THE PEOPLE, NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT?

[fxykty]

Meanwhile, some Australians just want to come out for a breath of fresh air.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by pdjb

WE THE PEOPLE, NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT?

And oh gosh, in upper case to boot!!!

Probably all that needs to said is this viewpoint is (apparently) a uniquely sepo construct and doesn't get a guernsey down under so prolly best kept for your homeland

We sort of worked out a system where the pollies are the people and vice versa, in fact you could bump into any one of them in our equivalent of Walmart or 7-11. Of course we do our have fair share wallies, flatheads and dimwits in the halls of power but mostly they are ignored.

The other thing that some up-overs don't always understand, down here we can hold opposing views about many things (including politics) in an anchorage and we resolve such differences by ripping open and sharing a couple cold tinnies.

So if you ever venture into Aussie waters south of 43S, I'll have a couple ready to toss over your gunwale .

[Alan Mighty]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Sir Joh also invented the trading in brown paper bags , he was way ahead of his time in thinking as he already saw the plastic bags being outlawed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah.

Joh didn't invent money in brown paper bags. That was a Country Party tradition that is still continued to this day: socialise the losses to the taxpayers, privatise the profits to yourself.

Were you to look critically at the chain of QLD premiers of the past, you'd find precious few that were straight and/or honest.

First up was Bobbie Herbert (aka Robert George Wyndham Herbert 1831-1905). Mrs Herbert's little boy Bobbie formed a friendship with Johnnie Bramston in the 1850s, when both were sharing rooms at U of Oxford. Bobbie and Bram-Bram travelled from England to QLD with George Bowen, who was on his way to be governor of QLD, and with Bobbie as Bowen's personal secretary. Bowen made Bobbie the Colonial Secretary of QLD on the day they landed in Aus (10 Dec 1859). Bobbie and Bram-Bram had a house built just north of the township. They called it Herston (HERbert + BramSTON) and lived happily together. Bobbie won the 1860 election (held over several weeks in April - May 1860), of course: Bobbie had been in QLD for all of 4 months and all the voters and other members of parliament knew him and his policy platform, right? That's democracy in action!

Premier No. 9 (depending on how you count them, because Bobbie had two innings) was 'Oily Sam' Griffith (aka Samuel Walker Griffith 1845-1920). A man so honest and straight that a university and a few roads are named after him. Oily Sam was, like not a few QLD politicians, into making money fast by real estate development. With a few mates, he developed a big chunk of land on the very northeastern outskirts of Brisbane and sold it on the promise that a railway line would be run there. Made big mobs of money. Look at your maps and find Sandgate in Greater Brisbane - train line is still there. Oily Sam at his best!

Oily Sam decided to go one better. With a few mates he bought land on the Redcliffe Peninsula, north of the location of the first (and short-lived) convict settlement in the district and set up a pub at Scarborough. Made promises about running a railway line. Oily was selected as premier by then. He thought it would look a trifle OBVIOUS if he pulled off the same railway trick. So he didn't. Scarborough has a children's playground called 'Railway Place'. Redcliffe voters were promised a railway line by almost every premier after Oily Sam. Never came. A railway line to Kippa Ring (named of course after two ceremonial grounds for Murris, where boys were trained and then graduated as men) arrived in 2016, only about 130 years after Oily Sam's clever idea.

Jolly embarrassing naming a government-funded university after Oily Sam, no?

These days you'll find a railway station at Herston (not far from Bobbie and Bram-Bram's home), just that it's called RBWH after a government-funded hospital. You can ride trains from RBWH to Kippa Ring, for that matter.

From Kippa Ring station, you can catch a bus to Scarborough Marina! Meet me for a sail on Moreton Bay? You can climb the coastal cottonwood trees at Railway Place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Herbert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Griffith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandgate,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippa-Ring,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcli...a_railway_line

[SV DINGO]

Originally Posted by Alan Mighty

Nah.

Joh didn't invent money in brown paper bags. That was a Country Party tradition that is still continued to this day: socialise the losses to the taxpayers, privatise the profits to yourself.

Were you to look critically at the chain of QLD premiers of the past, you'd find precious few that were straight and/or honest.

First up was Bobbie Herbert (aka Robert George Wyndham Herbert 1831-1905). Mrs Herbert's little boy Bobbie formed a friendship with Johnnie Bramston in the 1850s, when both were sharing rooms at U of Oxford. Bobbie and Bram-Bram travelled from England to QLD with George Bowen, who was on his way to be governor of QLD, and with Bobbie as Bowen's personal secretary. Bowen made Bobbie the Colonial Secretary of QLD on the day they landed in Aus (10 Dec 1859). Bobbie and Bram-Bram had a house built just north of the township. They called it Herston (HERbert + BramSTON) and lived happily together. Bobbie won the 1860 election (held over several weeks in April - May 1860), of course: Bobbie had been in QLD for all of 4 months and all the voters and other members of parliament knew him and his policy platform, right? That's democracy in action!

Premier No. 9 (depending on how you count them, because Bobbie had two innings) was 'Oily Sam' Griffith (aka Samuel Walker Griffith 1845-1920). A man so honest and straight that a university and a few roads are named after him. Oily Sam was, like not a few QLD politicians, into making money fast by real estate development. With a few mates, he developed a big chunk of land on the very northeastern outskirts of Brisbane and sold it on the promise that a railway line would be run there. Made big mobs of money. Look at your maps and find Sandgate in Greater Brisbane - train line is still there. Oily Sam at his best!

Oily Sam decided to go one better. With a few mates he bought land on the Redcliffe Peninsula, north of the location of the first (and short-lived) convict settlement in the district and set up a pub at Scarborough. Made promises about running a railway line. Oily was selected as premier by then. He thought it would look a trifle OBVIOUS if he pulled off the same railway trick. So he didn't. Scarborough has a children's playground called 'Railway Place'. Redcliffe voters were promised a railway line by almost every premier after Oily Sam. Never came. A railway line to Kippa Ring (named of course after two ceremonial grounds for Murris, where boys were trained and then graduated as men) arrived in 2016, only about 130 years after Oily Sam's clever idea.

Jolly embarrassing naming a government-funded university after Oily Sam, no?

These days you'll find a railway station at Herston (not far from Bobbie and Bram-Bram's home), just that it's called RBWH after a government-funded hospital. You can ride trains from RBWH to Kippa Ring, for that matter.

From Kippa Ring station, you can catch a bus to Scarborough Marina! Meet me for a sail on Moreton Bay? You can climb the coastal cottonwood trees at Railway Place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Herbert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Griffith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandgate,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippa-Ring,_Queensland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcli...a_railway_line

Very interesting reading , thank you for taking the time i appreciate it.

Moreton Bay? To be really honest i dont have such fond memories of my time there but then i got stuck with a broken windlass there for 3 weeks.

Thanks again.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by SV DINGO

Very interesting reading , thank you for taking the time i appreciate it.

Moreton Bay? To be really honest i dont have such fond memories of my time there .

Thanks again.

Some of the best cruising grounds on the QLD coast.
Better than Fraser imho
Better than Shitsundays imho

but then i got stuck with a broken windlass there for 3 weeks

That has nothing to do with the cruising grounds

On our shake down cruise for our current vessel we got stuck at the Keppels with a broken water pump">raw water pump and a sheared terminal stud on the windlass motor.

Didn't make the area any less appealing.

[El Pinguino]

Oh dear, this what you get when you send boys out to do a man's job.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...19-p58sx7.html

They say they will send the real riot police out next time, probably not a bad idea.

Raymond, you really are slipping up, I expected you to post this last night... beats grandmas out walking their dogs.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Oh dear, this what you get when you send boys out to do a man's job.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...19-p58sx7.html

They say they will send the real riot police out next time, probably not a bad idea.

Raymond, you really are slipping up, I expected you to post this last night... beats grandmas out walking their dogs.

That's not how you wear a mask
Lead by example.
Give yourself a fine and an uppercut