They Lived In a Pandemic Bubble Now Covid Has Arrived

[UFO]

Originally Posted by hedgeworth

Sometimes you just have to say what everybody’s thinking.

I would love to but it would get me kicked off the forum, but you get the gist.

[Brewgyver]

Originally Posted by owly

Polio, Smallpox, Tetanus, Diptheria, Measles, and a lot of other former killers are no longer a threat because of vaccines.

Interesting that you mention those particular diseases. Notice the difference between them and the SARS CoV2?

[kiwin]

[QUOTE=El Pinguino;3574506]I see Tonga is still lagging behind - 61% of total population compared with 89% in what can be considered a fully vaccinated country
[url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations[/url
It's almost like they are struggling with inadequate infrastructure and funding in an already poor third world country which has had its main income decimated and then got hit by an eruption and Tsunami. It's notable that they still have higher vaccination rates than Alabama which has none of those problems, just limitless inexhaustible stupidity

[Island Time O25]

People advocating vax by force or compulsion or other threats remind me of the old meme "Will kill for peace!" Kinda sad if you think about. But here we are in 2022 and Orwell's future is here to stay.

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

Truly one of the most horrible things I’ve ever read. Bet you’ve never been to Tongatapu either. Off to the Ignore List with you.



Faka manga manga!

To be fair, this significantly edited clip removes the full context.

(Nevertheless, I do disagree with the lack of sympathy: anyone seriously ill from COVID-19, vaccinated or unvaccinated, deserves sympathy.)

[El Pinguino]

[QUOTE=kiwin;3574526]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

I see Tonga is still lagging behind - 61% of total population compared with 89% in what can be considered a fully vaccinated country
[url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations[/url
It's almost like they are struggling with inadequate infrastructure and funding in an already poor third world country which has had its main income decimated and then got hit by an eruption and Tsunami. It's notable that they still have higher vaccination rates than Alabama which has none of those problems, just limitless inexhaustible stupidity

I don't think it is a poor country - I've never seen a hungry looking Tongan - and I think its infrastructure is reasonable. Nor do I think that access to vaccines has been a problem.

Why the low rate? Complacency when you have no cases in your country?
Religious and anti-vax groups operating in the country?
Dunno - but after a slow start Pasifika vaxx rates in NZ are much the same as Pakeha. That uptake had a lot to do with high - for NZ - death and hospitalisation rates in their community and their community leaders telling them to just get it done.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

People advocating vax by force or compulsion or other threats remind me of the old meme "Will kill for peace!" Kinda sad if you think about. But here we are in 2022 and Orwell's future is here to stay.

There is no force or compulsion to get vaxxed in Tonga.
Be a good chap - take it elsewhere.

[El Pinguino]

I see - as stated by Gord earlier - 98% of **eligible** Tongans are vaxxed.

Is that over 18s or over 80's? Probably why although they have rising cases no deaths reported thus far.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...-surges-to-98/

[Tetepare]

It just got to Cook Islands as well. Presumably Raro.

[kiwin]

"I don't think it is a poor country - I've never seen a hungry looking Tongan - and I think its infrastructure is reasonable"

Tongan GDP/capita is $5000/year. Before Covid collapsed the tourism industry. I don't think it's infrastructure is reasonable. I think it just doesn't have any infrastructure.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by kiwin

"I don't think it is a poor country - I've never seen a hungry looking Tongan - and I think its infrastructure is reasonable"

Tongan GDP/capita is $5000/year. Before Covid collapsed the tourism industry. I don't think it's infrastructure is reasonable. I think it just doesn't have any infrastructure.

Everything is relative. I think Somali and South Sudan are poor. In Australia you are poor if you don't have a widescreen TV.

Meanwhile NZ has so far donated 47,000 doses of vaccine to Tonga
https://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2022/02...nga-and-samoa/

[PineyWoodsPete]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

People advocating vax by force or compulsion or other threats remind me of the old meme "Will kill for peace!" Kinda sad if you think about. But here we are in 2022 and Orwell's future is here to stay.

The only folks compelling vaccination are employers who put it on the line: "No Jab, no Job" - exercising their freedom to ensure the health and productivity of their work force. And the employees are free to choose, of course.

We fought off Orwell's Big Brother who tried, and failed to anoint himself Dictator in the attempted Coup after the last election. Remember?

But the curse of hospitals overrun by the ongoing epidemic of the un-vaccinated remains, restricting the freedom of those who desperately need access to hospital care, life-saving organ replacement and other surgeries.

[seandepagnier]

Originally Posted by PineyWoodsPete

You are wrong, very wrong. I'll re-post this recent snapshot of CA cases sorted by vax. status, which is typical of the past year.

Those graphs do not show that I am wrong. I think you misinterpreted my statement which is fair because it was poorly worded.

I am claiming only that the virus will spread throughout the population regardless of if people are vaccinated or not. Everyone will be exposed if the vaccination rate is 0%, 100%, or anywhere in between.

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by PineyWoodsPete

The only folks compelling vaccination are employers who put it on the line: "No Jab, no Job" - exercising their freedom to ensure the health and productivity of their work force. And the employees are free to choose, of course.

We fought off Orwell's Big Brother who tried, and failed to anoint himself Dictator in the attempted Coup after the last election. Remember?

But the curse of hospitals overrun by the ongoing epidemic of the un-vaccinated remains, restricting the freedom of those who desperately need access to hospital care, life-saving organ replacement and other surgeries.

Trump=Big Brother? What planet do you live on?

https://www.wsj.com/video/series/opi...2-72823D154A82

[PineyWoodsPete]

Originally Posted by seandepagnier

Those graphs do not show that I am wrong. I think you misinterpreted my statement which is fair because it was poorly worded.

I am claiming only that the virus will spread throughout the population regardless of if people are vaccinated or not. Everyone will be exposed if the vaccination rate is 0%, 100%, or anywhere in between.

Well yes, maybe exposed, but not converting to positive PCR and/or clinical illness at anywhere near the same rate as the un-vax'd.