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[UFO]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Your not seriously believing anything the trump
Side is saying after the past 4 years, they want to cause an armed uprising

So you are saying that some of the most powerful people connected with Government are total liars? Good I'm glad you have actually woken up and seen the light - Oh and don't expect Biden and his crew to be much better - It comes with the job.

[SeanPatrick]

In all honesty, I think humanity is going to survive relatively unscathed for a very long time.


I've been reading along and biting my tongue. And what I've read convinces me that there are a lot of people out there who are concerned about our individual liberty, and our happiness as individuals.


And I'm convinced that there are also a lot of people out there who are concerned about our health and survival as a species.


And I'm convinced that all of you are good people.






... Except that earlobe guy. He creeps me out.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

... What is going on with the photos of his [Biden's] attached/detached earlobes depending on which photos that you look at? What is all of your opinions of this phenomena?

Obviously, what we've been calling “Joe Biden” is not a real person. It’s really two hair-sniffing, senile, doppelgängers, out to fool and enslave us all (except Qultists). Thanks be to Q and Thumbs Up, for exposing the conspiracy.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Jason Flare

Thank you for posting the information that provides the blueprint for voting fraud.



People need to read this carefully and understand.



Correct me if I’m wrong but could it be like providing a picture ID to buy alcohol and then never needing to provide ID again?

If there was fraud on a scale to defeat Biden there is therefore likely to be fraud in trumps election and all elections before

The reality is fraud is minimal and insufficient to have any material effect.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

For one that’s free **** not freedom, and government run “public” education has become quite the joke.

Buying you insurance or a house is also a product that ANYONE can buy, even non citizens.



With the election, we have had quite a few 120-170 year olds vote, tons of “glitches” where one side won than another side, so it’s just a fact that there are shenanigans, we shall see by December.



OVERALL though; whatever, I don’t think you even get to the point that you’re on the ticket for the race unless you’re vetted and down with the system.



Which again is why the government doesn’t seem 1/10th as worries about whom ever voting as they are about someone being able to buy a gun, actually speak their mind uncensored, why no one is really taught their rights beyond rote in school, let alone about the application of jury nullification, why we demonize having local militia but all but loved the Boy Scouts and national guard, and why it’s getting harder and harder or simply travel across the country unchecked.

Nobody is “ free” in the abstract everyone has their freedoms subscribed by responsibility and by effect on the common good

Your view on public education is more a problem with the US underfunded public education system and underpaid teachers. In most European nations public schooling is the norm and generally regarded as excellent

Real freedoms are being able to access education without being denied by income level , access high quality medical care without being denied by income level etc , having access to housing including if necessary subsidised housing

These freedoms have huge societal benefits , bearing arms has very little contribution to Freedom , it’s the ultimate in nonsense tokenism

[goboatingnow]

“
With the election, we have had quite a few 120-170 year olds vote, tons of “glitches” where one side won than another side, so it’s just a fact that there are shenanigans, we shall see by December. “

This is just unsubstantiated heresy. Trumps legal teams have completely failed to materially substantiate any such claims, to the point where his legal teams are resigning

What’s happening is not a campaign on election fraud , it’s a naked attempt to build a false narrative that “ they stole the election “. This is being done as a part of a scorched earth policy by a deposed president hell bent on retribution on the electorate that clearly spurned him.

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Nobody is “ free” in the abstract everyone has their freedoms subscribed by responsibility and by effect on the common good

Your view on public education is more a problem with the US underfunded public education system and underpaid teachers. In most European nations public schooling is the norm and generally regarded as excellent

Real freedoms are being able to access education without being denied by income level , access high quality medical care without being denied by income level etc , having access to housing including if necessary subsidised housing

These freedoms have huge societal benefits , bearing arms has very little contribution to Freedom , it’s the ultimate in nonsense tokenism

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/shut...nt%20of%20men.

80% of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Maybe some make 6 figures but they still have a multi million mortgage and private school fees to pay.

As long as you live paycheck to paycheck you aint free.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Yihang

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/shut...nt%20of%20men.



80% of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Maybe some make 6 figures but they still have a multi million mortgage and private school fees to pay.



As long as you live paycheck to paycheck you aint free.

Agreed , more distribution of wealth is undoubtably required, the wealth gap cannot be allowed to continue

The US is a peculiar place a 1st world country with 3rd world levels of poverty

The key to improving the working poor is not necessarily to push up wages which may simply result in industries closing , but to redistribute wealth

That means making sure lower income families have access to schooling to third level , access to quality Medical care , low cost good quality housing , good public transport etc.

This requires the rich to pay more

But the rich of course need to realise that in order to sleep peacefully in their beds , they need to ensure that wealth disparity is limited ( by paying more taxes ). History is full of “ social corrections “ where the down trodden has enough , its hard to enjoy your wealth with your head on a pike. !!!

[dwedeking2]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

I don’t think it’s really a thing.

You cant be pro small government and pro individual liberty and be for big central government and “forced income equality”

Closest thing I could picture to a commie libertarian would be like a bunch of libertarians at a coop farm that was next to a free market grocery store lol

I believe in the good of community, sharing resources (think this works in smaller groups vs countries the size of the US), equality of opportunities, better outcomes for people in general etc that can be had working together as a group. I don't believe in my ideals being forced on others by a government (or their ideals being forced on me). I think I'd fall within that communist libertarian window.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by dwedeking2

I believe in the good of community, sharing resources (think this works in smaller groups vs countries the size of the US), equality of opportunities, better outcomes for people in general etc that can be had working together as a group. I don't believe in my ideals being forced on others by a government (or their ideals being forced on me). I think I'd fall within that communist libertarian window.

Income “ redistribution “ is a pejorative term used to suggest taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor

This is not what happens the idea is to increase the benefits of wealth for all the community , the low income sectors benefit from better access to quality education , better health outcomes , better housing and public transport

The rich get a stable consistent social environment as a result and an improved quality of life benefits everyone

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

“With the election, we have had quite a few 120-170 year olds vote, tons of “glitches” where one side won than another side, so it’s just a fact that there are shenanigans, we shall see by December. “
This is just unsubstantiated heresy. Trumps legal teams have completely failed to materially substantiate any such claims, to the point where his legal teams are resigning
What’s happening is not a campaign on election fraud , it’s a naked attempt to build a false narrative that “ they stole the election “. This is being done as a part of a scorched earth policy by a deposed president hell bent on retribution on the electorate that clearly spurned him.

Indeed.

US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive
"It's simply a matter of statistics that if you cross-reference millions of records with millions of other records, you'll get a sizable number of false positive matches. We've seen this before," says Prof Justin Levitt.
More ➥ https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Indeed.

US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive
"It's simply a matter of statistics that if you cross-reference millions of records with millions of other records, you'll get a sizable number of false positive matches. We've seen this before," says Prof Justin Levitt.
More ➥ https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54874120

Great info Gord. Thanks for posting.

3 out of the 31 person sample size were actually dead and voted.

ETA: The above was after a quick scan of the article. It gets better.

A must read.

[AKA-None]

Interesting how some want the benefits of being a member of a community yet don’t ascribe to the obligations that come with that membership.
The mention of fire, police, etc are not there for you specifically, they are there for the community as a whole.
The concept of redistribution is not to take from the advantaged but to get those to pay fairly, as I understand it.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Nobody is “ free” in the abstract everyone has their freedoms subscribed by responsibility and by effect on the common good

Your view on public education is more a problem with the US underfunded public education system and underpaid teachers. In most European nations public schooling is the norm and generally regarded as excellent

Real freedoms are being able to access education without being denied by income level , access high quality medical care without being denied by income level etc , having access to housing including if necessary subsidised housing

These freedoms have huge societal benefits , bearing arms has very little contribution to Freedom , it’s the ultimate in nonsense tokenism

Well people arnt free to rape and kill you, or to break into your home and steal your stuff, but my 10 basic rights are pretty simply written.

Per education, baaaaaa ha ha ha!

I pay a TON in property taxes (as a percentage of my homes value) to raise other people’s kids.
There is a private school that operates on a splinter of the government schools budget, it turns out a WAAAY better product. The kids at the government school, frankly they mostly are useless.

Go look at the rich history of the main reason governments love to get into the education business.
There is also a reason lots of the people who worship at the alter of big gov also are against school choice.

Opinion piece, but well written and echoed by all the Cubans and others who fled big gov run amok
https://havanatimes.org/opinion/how-...s-out-in-cuba/


Want to make college affordable, treat it like a product not some holy institution, get the gov out of it, as in don’t have the gov back the loans.
No person in a free market will give a 100k educational loan for someone to get a degree in dance theory, they know they won’t make any money and just default on the loan.

I should also add, of the people I know, the ones who have the biggest degrees make less. I lived in a college town, many of my favorite bartenders had masters degrees, I also used to help keep my PHD fiends car alive, as he was too dumb to do basic maintenance, even just running it through a wash weekly in the winter to keep salt off, and he was too poor to get another car or pay a normal mechanic.

Of the top 5 earners I know, 3 have 2 year degrees, one has a 4 year, and one doesn’t have a degree.

Originally Posted by dwedeking2

I believe in the good of community, sharing resources (think this works in smaller groups vs countries the size of the US), equality of opportunities, better outcomes for people in general etc that can be had working together as a group. I don't believe in my ideals being forced on others by a government (or their ideals being forced on me). I think I'd fall within that communist libertarian window.

As long as it’s voluntary, ok.

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

“
With the election, we have had quite a few 120-170 year olds vote, tons of “glitches” where one side won than another side, so it’s just a fact that there are shenanigans, we shall see by December. “

This is just unsubstantiated heresy. Trumps legal teams have completely failed to materially substantiate any such claims, to the point where his legal teams are resigning

What’s happening is not a campaign on election fraud , it’s a naked attempt to build a false narrative that “ they stole the election “. This is being done as a part of a scorched earth policy by a deposed president hell bent on retribution on the electorate that clearly spurned him.

I literally linked to a gov database showing lots of people older than any human who voted.

Was the election stolen, let’s see what the courts say, the media doesn’t elect a president, whatever they say I’ll go with.

But to say there were no shenanigans, please.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

Interesting how some want the benefits of being a member of a community yet don’t ascribe to the obligations that come with that membership.
The mention of fire, police, etc are not there for you specifically, they are there for the community as a whole.
The concept of redistribution is not to take from the advantaged but to get those to pay fairly, as I understand it.

Indeed. As I mentioned, resilient communities can accommodate a certain number of these free-riders. But in times of stress, it gets harder to do so.

So-called redistribution simply recognizes that wealth is created by a community, not solely by an individual. And therefore the wealth generated is rightly owed to both the community and the individual.

Everyone, even the most right-wing countries, accept this principle. Otherwise there would be ZERO public goods such as roads, fire departments and the military (which is a huge public good). The only debate is on the right balance between the two extremes.

Everyone is a socialist (except those living alone on desert islands). It's just a question of degree.