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[Singularity]

Originally Posted by contrail

....But, if most of history has been dominated by those strongmen, might it not be that most people actually prefer that?.....

Yes.

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[goboatingnow]

A case is a positive test. The test is admittedly highly inaccurate above ct thresholds of 35. The virus has never been properly isolated (not proven to exist). The vaccine cartel known as Big Pharma is dominated by corporations that are convicted felons which have been repeatedly fined billions of dollars for falsifying research and unethical practices. The WHO and CDC are arms of Big Pharma. We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on medical procedures to prolong the life of well insured people only. Medical error has been implicated as the third leading cause of death in the US and Canada. COVID is a false flag attack, a means to an end. An end being currently defined by agendas set by powerful think tank organizations such as the WEF, CFR, and Rockefellers who control the press, invented PR, and used propaganda to set up a controlled society that keeps wealth in the hands of a few. Why do they want to inject the world's population with an untested DNA altering shot? Trans humanism is also in those agendas. This is not conspiracy. Too enamored by your illusions of mental superiority because of your Rockefeller corporation education to look this stuff up? Can't find any good sources behind the veil of our co-opted media? Look harder. "A vaccine is the only thing that will save us". That's what you guys are parroting. How about a healthy immune system? "Science is going to save the world!" I'm not falling for that line. But go ahead and do as you were taught, OBEY.

just some facts

COVID has been isolated by numerous organisation , https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/ ( thats just one report )

As for the tin foil hat conspiracy , please go and sit in a dark closet for a while . seriously, if you think Covid is some sort of global conspiracy , Im assure the people that have died from teh virus are very much dead , and those with the long term after-effects of the illness are very much actually sick

on another topic theres a world wide conspiracy led by russia , venezula , and assorted global groups to maintain that a orange tinted tv reality presenter and bankrupt property developer was robbed of an election , oh wait .....

[goboatingnow]

Those who deplored him scramble to find the reason for his "cult", for that is what it is. I am wondering if we are just looking at the fact that a large number of any population, anywhere, and at any time, simply prefer to have a "dear leader" solve their problems, rather than the freedom to vote for it, themselves. And what has happened, is that it has become socially acceptable to be public about it, where in the past it would not have been. I watched an interview of a former "Proud Boy", and he said that most of those who joined did so with minimal political reasoning, but just wanted to be part of a group, a gang, and fight. And, they gravitated to a leader who made that OK. Scary thought, and I hope I am wrong, but I think it may be simpler than we think or wish...those of us who actually value provable news, science, morality, and democracy.

The " strongman " concept has tended to gain currency when nations being to founder and especially when economic turmoil begins to touch the " heartland classes " . In Europe the rise of Bolshevism during the wars , with its avowedly anti middle class rhetoric terrified the asset owning classes and they were equally horrified when scenes more associated with ghetto violence began to appear on their normally law-abiding streets.

Also remember that these groups of population are typically big supporters of " law and order" and the police and the so called " rule of law". They are actually a group that is always prepared to trade freedoms for security , while maintaining they are supports of " freedom "

Into this conflagration , history has shown steps the " strongman" , whether its Putin, Trump , etc the characteristics are the same , ie " I alone have the solution" , " the " others are the cause of all our ills " , " The establishment ( experts, the experienced ) is corrupt and lying to you .

Agai all this is advanced using the mass tools of propaganda without a shred of evidence actually being advanced, or in many cases the " facts " are completely contrived

Since these people are extreme narcissists, they systematically build a personality cult dismissing those that might (a) take the lime light , think Fauci , or might challenge them and replace them with sycophants , nepotism tends to also be a big part

SO having removed any dissenting voices and grown the personality cult to the point where nobody will tell you the truth , you are now fully wrapped up in your own munificence and believe that anything you say , will simply be accepted as the truth or that your orders will immediately result in an action however imponderable , Failure , the realisation that reality may be different will not be allowed to impinge

hence we get rule by diktat , even to the point where orders are being issued that clealy cant be acted upon.

SO yes during these types of pressure keg situations, strongmen thrive because sections of the population stop looking at things and simply start believing

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

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on another topic theres a world wide conspiracy led by russia , venezula , and assorted global groups to maintain that a orange tinted tv reality presenter and bankrupt property developer was robbed of an election , oh wait .....

I said back in March on here that I thought COVID was a plot to control the world and I still think so. Yes there is a killer disease on the loose but we are being lied to about what it is and its origin. Your world wide conspiracy led by Russia and Venezula, I think is far fetched and your link: https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/ doesn't list a single source to any science. Someone needs to fact check the fact checkers.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

I said back in March on here that I thought COVID was a plot to control the world and I still think so. Yes there is a killer disease on the loose but we are being lied to about what it is and its origin. Your world wide conspiracy led by Russia and Venezula, I think is far fetched and your link: https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/ doesn't list a single source to any science. Someone needs to fact check the fact checkers.

perhaps if you used Google scholar you might read the plethora of scientific data and scientific journal articles

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

Yes there is a killer disease on the loose but we are being lied to about what it is and its origin.

why would people lie about the origin whats to be gained about lying about the origin , and how are we being lied to about " what it is ", we know " what it is , its a corona virus

My brother is a microbiologist with Phizer , he just laughs at all the conspiracy nonsense about Covid

Nothing is actually unusual about Covid, corona virius are quite well understood, just this one is extremely contagious

COVID was a plot to control the world

a plot to demonstrate how incompetent public health measures are , maybe , or a plot to expose how awful governments are when hit with a crises , or even a plot to expose governments that think property developers know more then medical professionals about viruses, maybe , but even the last one is too far fetched for me

[Mike OReilly]

Good posts GBN. Much fodder for discussion. Unfortunately I have no time right now. Hopefully I can to it later.

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Originally Posted by contrail

How about giving us the source for all of this? And, while you are at it, what are your five favourite news sources? Your favourite internet news source?

I don't take any news story that I read at face value. I think that all of the mainstream news sources recite the same narratives. I do enjoy good investigative news stories that can be found on sites such as DemocracyNow and the Intercept although they have slipped recently. The site that prints the articles that mainstream media won't touch is https://www.globalresearch.ca/ out of Quebec Canada. I don't blindly believe any articles that I see so look for published studies and historical accounts to solidify my opinions. I may be affected by some confirmation bias, but aren't we all? I read https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/ but have to ignore half of his ramblings. Yes I know it is fringe but some of his arguments are well researched and have links. Everything that I stated is worth considering, not going to annotate point by point but if you have issue with any one of my statements, I will attempt to back it up with some sources. If you are trying to find my political slant, good luck. I refuse to be polarized. I can't stand Mr. T but he tried to call out the "Deep State" which I think does exist in some form. For all I know though he could be part of it. Mr B, though I think most definitely is controlled. I voted for neither.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Democracy is a very generic term , it’s not generally represented as a pure majority solely based law making processes . About the only country that comes close is Switzerland where direct representation by the population is common

Interesting I don’t see Switzerland’s democracy selling anyone down the river

For the rest of us including the US we clearly have a “ form “ of democracy , typically some form of parliamentary democracy where a “ representative “ government proces results from a ballot system.

Merely because the US has an electoral college system or a state by state based senate /house elections doesn’t mean it’s not a democracy in the generic sense.

Many countries have federal style government electoral processes etc.

Your “ rights “ are nothing more then a societal agreement to allow you those rights and history shows us societies can and do upend those rights on occasion

“Upending” is why Americans enjoy their 1st and 2nd amendment rights, and why it’s important to stay fresh in your communications with your friends and family and proficient.

Sometimes the free of liberty needs tending to, when others try to take your rights it your job to prevent it.

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Some things we accept based on a preponderance of information, even though none of it might qualify as incontrovertible proof. For example, I can't prove gravity.

To test what you actually believe... wanna bet $20 that Trump has lost the election?

So what’s the issue with making sure everything in the election was legit after deleting out say offers who were dead or not properly IDed.

Trump spend 4yrs under investigation for every half baked concoction the left could dream up, is it really asking much to audit a election that had some odd “flukes” and “errors”??

If biden won fair and square so be it.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Singularity

Yes.

I think there's a condition that should be attached to that observation:

People are most attracted to "strongpersons" (... could happen, cmon) when they are experiencing uncertainty, insecurity, anxiety. Which, granted, has been most of history. Maybe not a perfect example, but going into the 1960s there was much optimism, more Americans were prospering, so a leader like JFK could win by appealing to their better nature and aspirations, and offering things like a man on the moon.

Fast forward to 2015 or so... a weak recovery from 2008, but there was enough going wrong with globalization and other shifts that many average Americans were still a bit anxious... along comes a guy who tells you things that rationalize your anxiety, but then he shows he understands, it's not your fault it's THEIRS (elites, immigrants, greenies, the swamp) and he's going to fix all of that, and make you feel better in the bargain. Result - elected.

Even more important, I think his whole style of operating in office was geared to maintain an overall higher level of anxiety in everyone, both at home and abroad. Even to having anxiety about him. Totally part of the playbook of a real-estate swinging d1ck, a tycoon to be feared.

(And we're all fortunate that he was more smoke than fire. The next authoritarian won't be so flawed)

So... yes - authoritarians love an anxious, insecure populace. And if nature or world events don't provide that, they're happy to help knock people down a peg to generate it.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

I don't take any news story that I read at face value. I think that all of the mainstream news sources recite the same narratives. I do enjoy good investigative news stories that can be found on sites such as DemocracyNow and the Intercept although they have slipped recently. The site that prints the articles that mainstream media won't touch is https://www.globalresearch.ca/ out of Quebec Canada. I don't blindly believe any articles that I see so look for published studies and historical accounts to solidify my opinions. I may be affected by some confirmation bias, but aren't we all? I read https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/ but have to ignore half of his ramblings. Yes I know it is fringe but some of his arguments are well researched and have links. Everything that I stated is worth considering, not going to annotate point by point but if you have issue with any one of my statements, I will attempt to back it up with some sources. If you are trying to find my political slant, good luck. I refuse to be polarized. I can't stand Mr. T but he tried to call out the "Deep State" which I think does exist in some form. For all I know though he could be part of it. Mr B, though I think most definitely is controlled. I voted for neither.

globalreserch.ca, that paragon of mistruth, false facts and conspiracy theories led by that numbskull Chossudovsky , who suggested the 9/11 attacks were false flag attacks carried out by the CIA !!!!!, that IS was funded by the US ( actually indirectly true ) and that OBL was a CIA asset !!!!

seriously , reading Marvel comics would be better information

[goboatingnow]

“Upending” is why Americans enjoy their 1st and 2nd amendment rights, and why it’s important to stay fresh in your communications with your friends and family and proficient.

many many countries did a lot of upending well before the USA and well after it

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

So what’s the issue with making sure everything in the election was legit after deleting out say offers who were dead or not properly IDed.

Trump spend 4yrs under investigation for every half baked concoction the left could dream up, is it really asking much to audit a election that had some odd “flukes” and “errors”??

If biden won fair and square so be it.

In the world we live in, allegations require proof , Trump was largely investigated by quasi politically inspired processes or " hearings ".

challenging the laws of elections or its outcomes, requires you to bring more then hearsay , in fact you could say you have to have a non-zero amount of material evidence.

That evidence has not been assembled or presented , why , occam razors gives the answer , becuase its not there to be found,

When Trump leaves office in Jan , as he surely will , he will suddenly find he his now the subject of actual legal actions in a court of law , we shall see what happens then

by the way , in this imperfect world, there is no absolute truth, truth is based largely on the preponderance of evidence rather then a search for absolute truth. Equally in an election , you dont focus on the small wrongs, you focus on the large " rights "

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

globalreserch.ca, that paragon of mistruth, false facts and conspiracy theories led by that numbskull Chossudovsky , who suggested the 9/11 attacks were false flag attacks carried out by the CIA !!!!!, that IS was funded by the US ( actually indirectly true ) and that OBL was a CIA asset !!!!

I mostly don't read the articles written by him but are suggesting that the 9/11 attacks were not false flags carried out by the CIA?. I can't be the only one here to think that they were.

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

My brother is a microbiologist with Phizer , he just laughs at all the conspiracy nonsense about Covid

Phizer is a convicted felon
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...nt-its-history

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

a plot to demonstrate how incompetent public health measures are , maybe , or a plot to expose how awful governments are when hit with a crises , or even a plot to expose governments that think property developers know more then medical professionals about viruses, maybe , but even the last one is too far fetched for me

More likely a plot to usher in mandatory DNA altering injections and usher in the new globalist think tank agendas