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[Singularity]

People tend to remain infactuated with new things so long as they get some type of internal reward for them, then familiarity breeds contempt, narcissism of small differences, greed, etc. Grass starts looking greener on the other side. William Tell Overature starts sound more interesting played moderato...then boring, more interesting at allegro. How often do you hear Scott Joplin rags played at original slowish tempo vs jazzed up?

Sooner or later the path of least resistance becomes more favorable again (sort of a, um, theme here in many ways) = evolution/neurohormone stuff. Indeed, with a little cunning, one can profit off of sending people down the wrong path and, if those cunning are really cunning, the person sent down the wrong path has no recourse for the bad course.

Pretty sure there are a multitude of children's stories and folk tales describing all this, but we like to reinvent the wheel, give it new names.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I don't know that we will ever get to a conclusive assessment of individual measures in isolation. We can't even pin down what is a 'lockdown', anyway.

Researchers will come out with claims for certain...media will parrot those claims depending on how it aligns with their agendas.

But with so many confounding variables, not a chance they get anything conclusive.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

What it has shown me is how polarised the US is...... more like most south american republics than any western democracy... ie EU Au Ca NZ ... not sure about UK....

I just read an article about how the end is coming for Spain because it's official that Catalonia can teach in Catalan (yes, it's more complicated than just that)....there's plenty of media driven polarization everywhere.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Technology and globalisation have created a situation that the skilled labouring ( in western countries ) class is now finding its skills are largely redundant , steel workers, metal forming, etc , in fact the skill redundancy is moving up into the lower middle classes . These industries are now all moved to India , china etc , where the availability of cheap skilled labour suits these industries ( for the moment)

This process has been going on for teh last 20 years , leaving a group of people in their 50s disgruntled. along comes the 2009-2012 financial crisis which shakes their foundations even further as its attacks asset owning classes , and in the main property holders which these people often are.

Actually it's moving beyond globalization. Technology is undermining the cheap overseas labor. When it comes time to build a new factory, it's often cheaper to build it at home with lots of automation rather than lots of staff.

Just as globalization took a lot of time because companies had huge sunk costs in existing facilities, this will take time. But once the number of staff required becomes small enough, staff costs drop off as the driving force for where to put new production facilites.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Nothing is actually unusual about Covid, corona virius are quite well understood, just this one is extremely contagious

Very true...the media loves to claim new and unusual...and most of it is hype. They also like to go on about the worst possible case when they find something new though most of those are highly unlikely (ie: early on, we may only have a couple months immunity after getting it...gripping it tightly to that theme because it hasn't been proven otherwise even though it's incredibly unlikley)

One exception, it's not extremely contagious, it's just that the population had no immunity at the start. Contagious implies it's very easy to transfer from an infected person to a person with no immunity...there are many diseases that are far more contagious, it's just that with large percentages of the population immune, there is less spread because it's less common for an infected person to come into contact with someone with no immunity...this is not semantics but the key issue we are facing with the current situation.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Actually it's moving beyond globalization. Technology is undermining the cheap overseas labor. When it comes time to build a new factory, it's often cheaper to build it at home with lots of automation rather than lots of staff.

Indeed. The shift to cheap labour manufacturing areas like China is a blip. Robotics is increasingly making that irrelevant, and soon AI will take care of most of the rest of the jobs in our societies.

We are rapidly moving to an economy without jobs at all. This is why some version of UBI is going to become even more vital in the coming years and decades.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

So, what about those earlobes... I know..., I mean I want to know. You can't unsee it. I mean the dude has two different kinds of earlobes in different pictures. I thought earlobes was a genetic trait. Mr Gordmay, can you find a reference or something?

My wife watches quite a few murder mysteries.


She often comments on how she can tell who the bad guys are, right at the start.


How? I ask.


The dudes without earlobes are ALWAYS the bad guys.


She's right, too.

[Stu Jackson]

Please stop with the 99 % you’ve been shown that number is wrong (you need to look at the case mortality rate ). You also need to educate yourself to those that got a serious illness from this virus even if they didn’t die , it’s not all about death

Richard Schiff (The West Wing, The Good Doctor) was on Lawrence O'Donnell last night.


He, like Chris Cuomo, said, simply:


"You DON'T want to get this."

[GordMay]

Biden had a facelift, between the two photos.
Here's another 'before' pic of Biden.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

An "independent" administration...that's funy.

Most of the developed world (that cares about democratic process) has figured out how to manage elections. But, like healthcare, the US seems to have ignored the memo.

Speaking of memos:

Originally Posted by valhalla360

...media will parrot those claims depending on how it aligns with their agendas.

Originally Posted by valhalla360

...the media loves to claim new and unusual...and most of it is hype. They also like to go on about the worst possible case when they find something new though most of those are highly unlikely (ie: early on, we may only have a couple months immunity after getting it...gripping it tightly to that theme because it hasn't been proven otherwise even though it's incredibly unlikley)

Yeah, we can certainly see one agenda at work - yours.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Biden had a facelift, between the two photos.

FWIW Biden's medical release states that he had surgery (Mohs) to remove skin cancers; a facelift normally wouldn't alter ear lobes (unless botched) while, if he did have a facelift, they missed some stuff.

Old guys who don't need their ears whittled on at some point haven't lived a full-enough life, or lived too far from the equator.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Most of the developed world (that cares about democratic process) has figured out how to manage elections. But, like healthcare, the US seems to have ignored the memo.

Speaking of memos:



Yeah, we can certainly see one agenda at work - yours.

The last thing the US needs is healthcare like Canada or the UK, forget that subpar stuff.

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Richard Schiff (The West Wing, The Good Doctor) was on Lawrence O'Donnell last night.


He, like Chris Cuomo, said, simply:


"You DON'T want to get this."

It didn’t stop the lessor cuomo from running around without a mask and chasing bicycle riders

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/long-i...mo-fires-back/

Can’t be that bad, apparently he still had enough lung function to yell at a guy on a bicycle





Also got a nice laugh when his “big” brother, the send the sick into nursing homes cuomo, had a tantrum when the Supreme Court said even he has to follow the bill of rights, and no he can’t round up the Jews.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...vices-new-york

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

The last the the US needs is healthcare like Canada or the UK, forget that subpar stuff.

Yeah, that's just dumb. Better outcomes for 1/2 the price while covering the entire population. So subpar .

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

I remain amazed at how many people completely misrepresent the choices.


They are NOT binary, i.e., do nothing vs. lockdown


All the reputable health officials have been saying is to: wear a mask, practice social distancing and wash your hands, avoid large gatherings.


What is so hard?


If the freedumb group would just do that, it would help.


Instead, we get idiots repeating superspreader events and wondering why so many people are getting sick.


It's lunacy.


Nothing has changed since last January.



Why not at least try to do something responsible to help your fellow citizens?

Its rather bizzare watching all this from outside the USA...most of the rest of the world has rational national level policies...while the USA has politicized every aspect of handling the pandemic.

Its much more sane out here...

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

The last thing the US needs is healthcare like Canada or the UK, forget that subpar stuff.

Echoing Mike's sentiments, this is an unrealistic and uninformed opinion.