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[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yeah, that's just dumb. Better outcomes for 1/2 the price while covering the entire population. So subpar .

Except no.

Having worked in that sector, not even close.

I would not want to be in a major crash or need a stint or something and be in Canada or UK vs the US

I’ve seen people in very rural areas be in a level 1 trauma center and in the cath lab in under a hour. Out of pocket for the medevac flight was a few hundred, etc.

Plus look at the taxes in, say Montreal, now compare their roads to say Iraq, plus no free speech, no right to self defense, etc etc etc

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

Except no.

Having worked in that sector, not even close.

Well, like you've demonstrated so often in this discussion, you're simply wrong.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Well, like you've demonstrated so often in this discussion, you're simply wrong.

Like how I posted a link to a government database that everyone just ignored or brushed off a handful of voters older than any human, who all the same birthday, voting in the same area?

Just because you would like me to be wrong doesn’t make me wrong.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3084366/q...and-procedure/

Time is heart

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

Like how I posted a link to a government database that everyone just ignored or brushed off a handful of voters older than any human, who all the same birthday, voting in the same area?

You posted a screenshot of data, and a dead link. No further evidence, no credible publications running with it, and you refuse to consider any other possibility but that these are all deliberate fradulent votes.

Not much to go on...

https://globalnews.ca/news/3084366/q...and-procedure/

Time is heart

Thanks for the 4 year old link.

Btw, there's often a wait for elective and non-critical stuff. But for critical care, wait times are short.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

Like how I posted a link to a government database that everyone just ignored or brushed off a handful of voters older than any human, who all the same birthday, voting in the same area?

Just because you would like me to be wrong doesn’t make me wrong.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3084366/q...and-procedure/

Time is heart

OK, this is the last comment I'm going to make to you on this tangent, because it's like arguing 2+2=5.

There is mountains of comparative data and analysis on this topic. Spend two minutes with your favourite search engine and you can pull it up. Look at OECD data. They're great at comparing apples to apples.

The American healthcare system is nearly twice as costly as the next pricey one, and it produces fair-to-midlin' outcomes. It's not the worst, but it's far from the best in most metrics.

That's not to say you can't find absolutely best-of-the-best in some areas, and for some people. If you're rich, or the president, you will receive the best healthcare the world has to offer. But as a system, it scores poorly compared to most other developed nations.

BTW, Canada is no shining example either. We used to be better, but the plague of budget cuts and tax breaks have infected our system as well. And we have some serious deficiencies in some elective areas, as well as in the area of pharmaceuticals. But as a system, we perform far better than the USA.

[Yihang]

Assuming Canada is similar to australia when I fractured my ankle i went to emergency swiped my medicare card and next day had surgery and recovered in the hospital for 3 days. Costed me nothing. Any australian will get the same service.

i’ll admit private hospitals in San francisco are nice as well. But the company pays about 18k a year in insurance and another 3k out of pocket from me. For the past 4 years the insurer changed every year because the prices kept fluctuating so I had to change doctors in some instances.

Private hospital cover in aus is a few thousand a year. Not bad.

Just firsthand experience.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Yihang

Assuming Canada is similar to australia when I fractured my ankle i went to emergency swiped my medicare card and next day had surgery and recovered in the hospital for 3 days. Costed me nothing. Any australian will get the same service.

........

Just to add to this excellent post and make it perfectly clear to our USA cousins: Any Australian regardless of circumstance or income or lack of, will get the same service.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Just to add to this excellent post and make it perfectly clear to our USA cousins: Any Australian regardless of circumstance or income or lack of, will get the same service.

Yup, same in Canada.

[SalingSue]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

OK, this is the last comment I'm going to make to you on this tangent, because it's like arguing 2+2=5.

There is mountains of comparative data and analysis on this topic. Spend two minutes with your favourite search engine and you can pull it up. Look at OECD data. They're great at comparing apples to apples.

The American healthcare system is nearly twice as costly as the next pricey one, and it produces fair-to-midlin' outcomes. It's not the worst, but it's far from the best in most metrics.

That's not to say you can't find absolutely best-of-the-best in some areas, and for some people. If you're rich, or the president, you will receive the best healthcare the world has to offer. But as a system, it scores poorly compared to most other developed nations.

BTW, Canada is no shining example either. We used to be better, but the plague of budget cuts and tax breaks have infected our system as well. And we have some serious deficiencies in some elective areas, as well as in the area of pharmaceuticals. But as a system, we perform far better than the USA.

Know what’s really expensive...death.

I watched some idiots who watched too much TV argue with a crew over medevacing their dad, “gee durp, TV said that expensive, duh I could lose my home”.

It took all I had to not go over there and tell them killing their father would actually cost more to legally get rid of his carcass than not killing him.

Originally Posted by Yihang

Assuming Canada is similar to australia when I fractured my ankle i went to emergency swiped my medicare card and next day had surgery and recovered in the hospital for 3 days. Costed me nothing. Any australian will get the same service.

i’ll admit private hospitals in San francisco are nice as well. But the company pays about 18k a year in insurance and another 3k out of pocket from me. For the past 4 years the insurer changed every year because the prices kept fluctuating so I had to change doctors in some instances.

Private hospital cover in aus is a few thousand a year. Not bad.

Just firsthand experience.

Except the tax rate in MTL vs Miami, yeah

And quality, there is a reason being a doc in a socialist country isn’t as good as in a free world country. If you are good enough / smart enough you arnt working in a socialist regime, just talk to a Cuban lol

Originally Posted by Wotname

Just to add to this excellent post and make it perfectly clear to our USA cousins: Any Australian regardless of circumstance or income or lack of, will get the same service.

You might not get a boob job as a bum, but go read the little sign in every ER.

[TrentePieds]

Quote: "...not sure about UK..."

Just watched Boris J on BBC's Outside Source. Can somebody tell me... is he impersonating Basil Fawlty??

TP

[Yihang]

Originally Posted by SalingSue

Except the tax rate in MTL vs Miami, yeah

And quality, there is a reason being a doc in a socialist country isn’t as good as in a free world country. If you are good enough / smart enough you arnt working in a socialist regime, just talk to a Cuban lol

I'll give you that. Canadian state taxes are ridiculously high. But Australian tax is surprisingly reasonable. I'm surprised.

For a 100k USD annual income the tax comes out to:


AUS: 27k USD in tax
CAN: 36K """"
USD: 29k"""""



*im using california state tax rates

https://simpletax.ca/calculator
https://www.ato.gov.au/Calculators-a...#STC/questions
https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes#sc4hY7vgx2


Why did you bring up socialism and cuba?

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Most serious cooks know that you have to seek out the best ingredients, and ideally those closest to raw and unprocessed. Or at least something from a trusted company or supplier. You definitely avoid product that's been carelessly processed or adulterated, or from a dubious source.

If you cook with crap, you end up with ... cooked crap.
My brother's friend's cousin heard that someone saw a note crayoned in a bathroom stall somewhere that that isn't true.

If you want anyone to believe stuff like that...links.

Well that was a very long time ago and was more than likely removed almost instantly and if you read an official report it states:


"When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings."


Also from the official pictures there is only a handful of fragments of a plane and no engines etc - I've seen enough of other plane crashes to know that they do not 100% disintegrate. Not a single body or body fragment, piece of luggage, fuselage, engines, wheels, wings, and seats - belonging to American Airlines Flight 77 was found at the Pentagon crash site. The official story claims that the fire from the crash "disintegrated" the plane, along with everyone and everything in it - You really going to believe that?

[Thumbs Up]

I'm going to try to believe it. Been getting too much flak over believing in conspiracies. If that was the official account, and all of the news media agrees then it must be the truth. Besides, there is no proof. It is always better to not think too much and just obey, right?

[UFO]

Originally Posted by Thumbs Up

I'm going to try to believe it. Been getting too much flak over believing in conspiracies. If that was the official account, and all of the news media agrees then it must be the truth. Besides, there is no proof. It is always better to not think too much and just obey, right?

Resistance is Futile......



Fair bit of bashing going on here, unless you can back it up with either official government or MSM then it must be a conspiracy, anything non MSM is obviously full of tin foil hat wearers - Really its a bit of an oxymoron, yet no one sees it here.



Just wait for when Elon Musk releases his fully working and cloud AI connected neural interface chip - They will be queuing up in their droves for it - Lambs unto the slaughter, or Lambs into the Borg. But hey I am happy for them to become enhanced humans as Mr Musk puts it, just as long as they leave me alone.

[GordMay]

Let’s compare a few health care costs and benefits (outcomes) between the U.S.A. and Canada:

U.S.A. ~vs ~ Canada (rankings compare OECD countries)
Per capita health-care spending: $10,739 vs $4,500
Who pays: User out of pocket, or purchased insurance vs Communal taxes (NO out of pocket)
Health expenditures as a percent of GDP: 17.9% vs 11.6%
Life expectancy: 78.8 years (ranks 27TH) s vs 81.7 years (ranks 13TH)
Infant & Maternal mortality rate: 5.8 vs 4.7
Overall, Canadians pay less, for health care, to get better outcomes, than Americans.

The Fraser Institute not an independent think tank, but a politically conservative (right wing) and libertarian propaganda machine, funded and propped up by billionaires and corporations.
Eg:
➥ https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/frase...ique-1.3867927
➥ https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fraser_Institute
➥ https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...sive-smoke.pdf

Here’s a better report:
Wait times for priority procedures in Canada
➥ https://www.cihi.ca/en/wait-times-fo...ures-in-canada
➥ Wait Times