US / Canada border restrictions predictions...

[S/V Adeline]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yes, much like Canada, or Australia, or other federal countries. Of course Oz only has six states and three territories. Canada has 10 provinces and three territories. Whereas the USA has 50 states and, what, five territories?

I am probably wrong but I was under the impression it was 7 territories, never fear though, there are a few members here that seem to live to tell me I'm wrong. If the number isn't 7, we should know very soon

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

Simply put, the world tends to see the U.S. as a single country (which it is, fair point) but the actual government is far more complicated. ... Maybe the *president/leader* of your country can order a lockdown, but the president of the U.S. does not have that authority

There's power - what a leader can or cannot control legally - but power is only a small component of leadership, and not even a mandatory one. From one of countless Google hits for "leadership":

Leaders help themselves and others to do the right things. They set direction, build an inspiring vision, and create something new. Leadership is about mapping out where you need to go to "win" as a team or an organization

A good leader can accomplish much without power.

Being this is the first time in the history of the country such an event has taken place, it's interesting if nothing else.

Others have pointed out that we all should have been better-prepared from our most recent brushes with near-pandemics like SARS. Anyway... no, we haven't seen anything of this magnitude. And we're still "in" it, and will be for a while.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

Simply put, the world tends to see the U.S. as a single country (which it is, fair point) but the actual government is far more complicated. Each state and territory has its own unique government, operating with and independent of the federal government at the same time. To make it even more chaotic, interstate relationships vary from state to state. Maybe the *president/leader* of your country can order a lockdown, but the president of the U.S. does not have that authority (falls to 57 governors who obviously don't agree with each other on the matter)
Being this is the first time in the history of the country such an event has taken place, it's interesting if nothing else.

Indeed, the motto of the United States of America is: E pluribus unum. Out of many, one.

Yet the correct expression for statements regarding the union is written as: The United State of America are . . .; and not the United States of America is . . .

A truly complicated and still imperfect republic.

By way of example, I am a Montañan, formerly a Californian, a Nebraskan, and a Kansan. Yet, some will call me an American, but that is inclusive of everyone residing in the "New World". Hence there are Canadian Americans, Mexican Americans, Panamanian Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, Chilean Americans, Brazilian Americans, etc. As to us Yanks, well I guess we are "US Americans".

Or as some Aussie's may call us: seppo.

Image of the Americas below; population 1.002 Billion.

[S/V Adeline]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

There's power - what a leader can or cannot control legally - but power is only a small component of leadership, and not even a mandatory one. From one of countless Google hits for "leadership":

Leaders help themselves and others to do the right things. They set direction, build an inspiring vision, and create something new. Leadership is about mapping out where you need to go to "win" as a team or an organization

A good leader can accomplish much without power.


Others have pointed out that we all should have been better-prepared from our most recent brushes with near-pandemics like SARS. Anyway... no, we haven't seen anything of this magnitude. And we're still "in" it, and will be for a while.

The U.S. Federal government (Trump's team) released guidelines in the very beginning. Alabama governor (along with many others) said NO WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN. I will never forget her speech that day.
End of story. Call it or twist it any way you choose. The final call falls to the state and that is that. Trying to blame the president is just an attack on the person. MANY Trump supporting governors said NO to closing their states when he requested a 14 day lockdown. Most only relented when their own people demanded it and only closed long enough to make a show. Nobody actually locked down

[Old fella]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

Simply put, the world tends to see the U.S. as a single country (which it is, fair point) but the actual government is far more complicated. Each state and territory has its own unique government, operating with and independent of the federal government at the same time. To make it even more chaotic, interstate relationships vary from state to state. Maybe the *president/leader* of your country can order a lockdown, but the president of the U.S. does not have that authority (falls to 57 governors who obviously don't agree with each other on the matter)
Being this is the first time in the history of the country such an event has taken place, it's interesting if nothing else.

Maybe that’s the problem, you would think when a pandemic is called, the federal gov should have overriding power and set the rules, so every state has the same measures in place. Although in the case of the US, that probably wouldn’t have gone very well, you know, having bleach in your coffee etc..etc.. . Maybe, just maybe, like in NZ your leader takes the advice of the medical director, after all, that’s why there is a medical director, because politicians are way out of there depth. Could you imagine mr trump listening, instead of mouthing

[S/V Adeline]

Originally Posted by Old fella

Maybe that’s the problem, you would think when a pandemic is called, the federal gov should have overriding power and set the rules, so every state has the same measures in place. Although in the case of the US, that probably wouldn’t have gone very well, you know, having bleach in your coffee etc..etc.. . Maybe, just maybe, like in NZ your leader takes the advice of the medical director, after all, that’s why there is a medical director, because politicians are way out of there depth. Could you imagine mr trump listening, instead of mouthing

Could you imagine having a conversation without attacking my President?

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

The U.S. Federal government (Trump's team) released guidelines in the very beginning. Alabama governor (along with many others) said NO WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN. I will never forget her speech that day.
End of story. Call it or twist it any way you choose. The final call falls to the state and that is that. Trying to blame the president is just an attack on the person. MANY Trump supporting governors said NO to closing their states when he requested a 14 day lockdown. Most only relented when their own people demanded it and only closed long enough to make a show. Nobody actually locked down

They are free to do whatever their heart desires. They just can't expect us to want the border reopen until things are under control south of the border. And that is what this thread was about.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

I am probably wrong but I was under the impression it was 7 territories, never fear though, there are a few members here that seem to live to tell me I'm wrong. If the number isn't 7, we should know very soon

No doubt one of us will be told .

[S/V Adeline]

Originally Posted by NaClyDog

They are free to do whatever their heart desires. They just can't expect us to want the border reopen until things are under control south of the border. And that is what this thread was about.

Agree 100%, was just pointing out blame placed on the president was in error.

[Old fella]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

Could you imagine having a conversation without attacking my President?

No !!!!!

[Mike OReilly]

Just read the actual Pew study. Interesting research. A couple of other findings strike me as interesting:

#1. In Europe, those who have favorable opinions of right-wing populist parties are more likely than those with unfavorable views to say division has grown since the coronavirus outbreak began.



#2. Feelings of national disunity are tied to feelings of distrust as well. In many countries, those who say that, in general, most people cannot be trusted are more likely to say their country is now more divided than those who say most people can be trusted. In 11 of 14 countries surveyed, this gap exceeds 10 percentage points.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

The U.S. Federal government (Trump's team) released guidelines in the very beginning. Alabama governor (along with many others) said NO WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN. I will never forget her speech that day.
End of story. Call it or twist it any way you choose. The final call falls to the state and that is that. Trying to blame the president is just an attack on the person. MANY Trump supporting governors said NO to closing their states when he requested a 14 day lockdown. Most only relented when their own people demanded it and only closed long enough to make a show. Nobody actually locked down

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

Could you imagine having a conversation without attacking my President?

Let me tell you a story. My province, Ontario, has a leader - Premier Doug Ford - cut from the conservative populist cloth, and considered divisive for his "combativeness, partisanship and populist rhetoric". Guess who he got compared to, lots. That's not my sort of politician, and I didn't vote for him.

Enter the pandemic. And he rose to the occasion. The man dropped his partisan stance and went to work for every person in Ontario. He impressed just about everyone. He impressed me.

Leadership. When it's most needed.

Read the link, and think about it.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

The U.S. Federal government (Trump's team) released guidelines in the very beginning. Alabama governor (along with many others) said NO WE WILL NOT SHUT DOWN. I will never forget her speech that day.
End of story. Call it or twist it any way you choose. The final call falls to the state and that is that. Trying to blame the president is just an attack on the person. MANY Trump supporting governors said NO to closing their states when he requested a 14 day lockdown. Most only relented when their own people demanded it and only closed long enough to make a show. Nobody actually locked down

I accept what you have posted is correct and the final call falls to the state. What is confusing though is why then did POTUS keep on commenting and making suggestions if it wasn't in his bailiwick. If he wanted to influence the debate (which is fair enough), then it is only reasonable that others will critique his comments.

He can't have it both ways, it is either his call or it is not but if he enters the kitchen, he has to stand the heat regardless.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

I am probably wrong but I was under the impression it was 7 territories, never fear though, there are a few members here that seem to live to tell me I'm wrong. If the number isn't 7, we should know very soon

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

No doubt one of us will be told .

Gentlemen, only posting this because you are interested...

Six States and ten territories (three internal and seven external)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States...s_of_Australia

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Gentlemen, only posting this because you are interested...

Six States and ten territories (three internal and seven external)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States...s_of_Australia

Well there you go .