How Crazy Is Two Boats ?

[atoll]

up untill 2 years ago i had 3 yachts,one in turkey a 50 ft ferro,a 63ft in the uk that we have been living on and a 20ft bilge keeler for around the bay and easturies.

the one that gets the most use....the 20 footer,allways ready to go
boat in turkey cost about £2500 for the marina and £150 for flights.
the two in the uk about the same.

problem with leaving a boat over the winter in europe is condensation,spent a week cleaning the one in turkey before it was usable.

though i did sell it for a reasonable profit after all expenses incurred over 3 years of owning it but got it really cheap in the indian ocean.

probably owning a vessel will work out cheaper than chartering over 3 years.

[Charlie]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Look at buying a stock beneteau or jeanneau or perhaps a Hanse or Bavaria. Don't buy anything wierd . These are the biggest sector of the Market., lots to choose from and pricing is competitive. If your prepared and financially able to fund 50 to. 70k then it should be ok. You don't need a fixer upper. In my opinion France Spain Italy are cheaper then the UK. Marina spaces in the med are hard to find especially in the popular areas but a bit of legwork you will find them.

The other thing to bear in mind is that legally non EU nationals can only visit schlengen( most of western Europe) countries for 90 days in 180 totalled over all the countries. The UK and Ireland are outside the area so you can stay there longer.

If you buy now at close to the bottom of the Market it should be a good place to sell in a few years. You will need to consider getting an ICC as well

Dave

Dave what is an ICC? If I break even on this deal I will be really happy. $50k would stretch my budget. I am looking at some fixers that have good engines in them and the rigging already replaced in the $30k to $40k range. I won't worry about the Schengen treaty because for the most part we will meet the requirement. One year we will be in Europe 5 months.

Originally Posted by capn_billl

I think it is a good idea. I've heard of people house trading to move when it wasn't practical to sell. Maybe we could setup a boat trading site.

I like the idea but I haven't met anyone who has made one work.

Originally Posted by atoll

up untill 2 years ago i had 3 yachts,one in turkey a 50 ft ferro,a 63ft in the uk that we have been living on and a 20ft bilge keeler for around the bay and easturies.

the one that gets the most use....the 20 footer,allways ready to go
boat in turkey cost about £2500 for the marina and £150 for flights.
the two in the uk about the same.

problem with leaving a boat over the winter in europe is condensation,spent a week cleaning the one in turkey before it was usable.

though i did sell it for a reasonable profit after all expenses incurred over 3 years of owning it but got it really cheap in the indian ocean.

probably owning a vessel will work out cheaper than chartering over 3 years.

Thanks for the tip on condensation. I'll have to work something out.


I think it will work out cheaper then chartering. I am not looking at making money on this. If I sell the boat and we lose $10k or $15k well I would have spent more then that trucking my boat across the US. I figure it this way -- "I am buying memories with my family." Even though my kids are 12 and 14 I can see that they will be gone in 6 or 10 years b/c there is nothing to do for work in the rural area that we live. We will always have this memory of cruising the Med together -- I get that now Like remember Canada or Remember when we built a fire on the beach in Mexico. Its a good thing. I am just trying to find any pitfalls before I dive in.

[hpeer]

We have two and it is petty crazy.

33' steel cutter in Newfoundland.
44' steel cutter on East Coast of US.

In our case it has to do with marriage counseling and being prepared for sudden collapse. So, we are nutz too.

[Wand]

Originally Posted by hpeer

We have two and it is petty crazy.

33' steel cutter in Newfoundland.
44' steel cutter on East Coast of US.

In our case it has to do with marriage counseling and being prepared for sudden collapse. So, we are nutz too.

Counseling or the second cutter...which was the chicken and which the egg?

[hpeer]

The 44' came out of counseling.

I want to leave Megalopolis NOW. She wants to stay and work, and work and work. If things go really bad, there is no land way out. So it is our "life boat" and also we hope to enjoy it.

[boatman61]

Just had a quick nose in your price range.... Moody's, Westerlies, Carters and Elizabethans... those are well regarded builders over here... also the Rivals such as this ..... Rival 32 Boats for sale UK, Rival Used boat sales, Rival Sailing Yachts For Sale 1971 Rival 32 Blue Water Cruiser - Apollo Duck
All are under 35ft... or theres this at 35ft
Val 35 Boats for sale UK, Val Used boat sales, Val Sailing Yachts For Sale Val 35 - Apollo Duck
Opppssss.... I boboo'ed... looked 10k under your price

[doug86]

How about "boat swapping" with someone in who has a sailboat in EU? They use your boat in SoCal while you are over there using theirs. This kind of arrangement is probably tricky to pull off, but could suit your needs.

[atoll]

a few other things you may want to consider,i have teenagers and they love it is a trailer sailer and camper van.

europe has a lot of inland water ways and camp sites,we drive to hungary and back every year and spend a week each way(aged p lives in hungary)stopping every night.

nw france has some great eastuaries,also french canals,rhone,soane,rhine and the danube are all navigable.
lots of really big lakes all over europe.
we also carry tents on the little boat so the kids can camp ashore.
no expensive marinas,no expensive marine insurance,no need for icc.
minimal investment $15000 will get a decent van and 20 ft boat.

[Liam Wald]

Not crazy at all if you can afford it. If I could afford it I would have one in the Atlantic, one in the Pacific, one in the Med, and one in Australia!

[atoll]

hi charlie thought i'd post this for others who may be interested,
seems like it is do able for less than $15000.

motor homes £4-5000 range


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-berth-camper...item4cf48a030b


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Iveco-Turbo-Da...item3cb4595286


yachts
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sailing-Yacht-...item3f066d42a7

very nice one on appollo duck
http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co...html?id=134436

seems like there are lots of trailer sailers available in the £2-3000 price range on appoloduck.co.uk


cheers atoll
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[Vasco]

Nothing wrong with having two boats. I got another one for my winter sailing in the Bahamas when I got tired of the long trip back to Toronto in the spring and the long trip down from Toronto in the fall. Used to get home in June and have to turn around and sail south in September. Now we drive south in late November or early December and drive home late May. Six months at each end is ideal. It's a bit of a hassle maintaining two boats but you get used to it. Been doing it for seven years now. Funny enough the seven year old boat requires more maintenance than the 23 year old one in Toronto. Of course the southern boat is sailed a lot harder. The one in Toronto is used only on the weekends now. The major problem is organizing all the stuff needed for launching the southern boat. Once it's launched I take off. No time sitting in a marina to do all the little things that are needed . I take a list home with me in the spring and start getting to it in October, ordering stuff that's required. We do all the work ourselves.

[boatman61]

Atoll.... dunno mate... I think seeing fuel at $2/litre might freak him out....
And those Campers look like tenders for Winnebago's....

[atoll]

just an idea,we drive to hungary and back every year and fuel is about £600 pounds,cheaper than the four of us fly ing,trick is to go slow and find an area and set up base camp and cruise from there.
paying 70 euros a night in the med for a yacht as opposed to 15 for a camper and boat equalises things out,plus you can allways go bush if you find a friendly farmer.

[atoll]

we dont have a motor home,but carry light weight tents,towing a 20-22ft would be quite feasable behind a 2000cc estate. link to good trailer site
Sailing boats and yachts which are trailerable and trailers. Known as trailer sailers

[goboatingnow]

Dave what is an ICC? If I break even on this deal I will be really happy. $50k would stretch my budget. I am looking at some fixers that have good engines in them and the rigging already replaced in the $30k to $40k range. I won't worry about the Schengen treaty because for the most part we will meet the requirement. One year we will be in Europe 5 months.

ICC = International Certificate of Competence
RYA in the Uk will be able to issue these to non Uk citizens from February.

PS re Schengen, you will not be able to stay legally in Europe for 5 months if these are consectutive, you will need to spend time outside the Schengen area , Uk/Ireland or Eastern Med, Turkey Croatia etc. Other then that no problems.

Dave