Best 34-50' Single Person Sailboat For Blue Water & Island Hopping!

[PushingThePen]

Originally Posted by Retirement home

You're welcome bro.

You mentioned agility.
Regardless of sail type, one of our strict lessons was to flow the Lee side tales of sails.
In doing such, high pressure high flow on Lee side assists boat with staying upright and is a must during survival strength winds.
It is a good practice.
Even racers flow Lee side and slightly stall windward side of sail to maximise point on windward legs.
Only time I remember windward flow with stalling Lee side was a calm near still day. Other tricks to move power up leach also. Hanging tell tales yet a bow wave was achieved.

Flow Lee sail side a good practice of priority.

That American 42 footer looks beautiful. Traction of longer tapering edge makes solo easier in rougher conditions because they're a longer hydraulic wing and a more consistent movement of flow.
That's the kind of boat I'd prefer. Agility when dancing is amongst lumpy conditions. Generally easier on skipper and crew.
A lot of cruisers prefer cut out type. Similar yet less drag and improved yaw maybe.. I don't know..
Pitch, yaw and rotation. Up, turn and tilt.

With vertical hydraulic leading edge fin keel we really need maintenance of vessel speed or we are vulnerable to weathers brutality. They are more yaw agile but only when moving!
Sloped leading edge encourages a nice blend that helps Agility in lumpy but loses flat water performance.

Sweet dreaming too.

I sailed a few smaller agile sailboats. One was a Catalina race winner in fact. Very agile, but I had the ports underwater on many occasions when it was in that sweet spot. That's where it really opened up. Not really something I'd want when running long distance. Little more upright would be preferred.

Having tails is definitely a nice thing. When I started using them (came on a boat I bought) it helped to visualize the action of the wind across the sails much clearer. Vastly improved my little adjustments and general performance.

It's also when I started seeing the pockets of airflow that all too often we think is a good breeze, but is actually going to be challenging when tacking over. Often when you're on the fridge of the weather system or microclimate.

[PushingThePen]

Originally Posted by Retirement home

Like a sail boat.. never true; just a stable point near such.

I get told off for some of my practices..
Last cruising boat was a unicorn; an 18 footer with nice long planes and far apart tapered edges of boards and rudders.
Always lazy, I never used headsail and enjoyed watt point we made instead.

However, regarding agility fulcrum of systems set. I should have balanced to have vessel luff incase of overboard. Then just a short swim.

Forecast was fresh breeze. Felt nice. I guess 10-15knots. Reaching. Walking around whilst she sailed herself having an abandoned helm.

I get told to luff them. Still learning. Will keep practising too.

I didn't want to lead astray.

I had a couple of sailboats that had the stern slipping all over the place. No stability at all. Felt like the stern was continually trying to come around on the bow. Not a fun feeling when you're wanting to grab a drink from down below.

Later came to realize that a big part of the issue was the type of sails that the prior owners has put on them. Weekenders that didn't understand the action that was transferred to the boat. They just thought a sail would move them. A bigger sail would move them faster. Nothing about where the wind comes off the sail and how that can stabilize the bow or stern in the water.

And the luff flapping was all too common with the wrong sail and misaligned rigging. Once I had a friend take a look, he showed me a couple of good sails for those boats and suddenly they stayed stable and were a lot easier to handle, with drastically less flapping. Smooth across the entire surface.

Still tons to learn.

[AKA-None]

The stern wasn’t slipping the boat was rounding up due to the set of the sails for the course being set
You can aliveate that usually by setting the sails for your heading and the wind direction
I wonder if by putting the ports under you mean the portlights in the cabin then I’m thinking you are not running optimally due to either too much sail up or possibly baggy sails. If I recall correctly many boats have a sweet spot of 15-25 degrees of heel
But then maybe I’m just blowing smoke out of my a$$

[Retirement home]

Originally Posted by PushingThePen

I'll definitely take a closer look at the types of sails I take along. You've given me a lot of good information to study. Even if some of it contradicts others, often that's how new techniques are discovered.

Also thanks for the heads-up on squalls in Australia's southern waters. I've heard the area can be challenging, but not to what extent. Gives me a better picture.

I like long keel yachts.
Solo or short hand.
You can get away with controlling a larger vessel.* Doesn't feel like that when flat water but you'll get caught out.
They dance like ballerinas.

Ever come down a mountain on a bicycle?
Having brakes allows you to go faster!

Heel angle acts like a brake and an accelerator but it isn't used by modern racers as much as they wanna be st. Eg winners in favourable conditions but not as fast if stuck Riding a storm.

Boat broaches. Long keel cruiser. Knot loving such. No hands required, just helm. Rudder turn ratio low, rudder pitch ratio high, thanks to rotation.
Lee helm. Pitch bow down, increasing plane thickness, harder for vessel to giddy up, natural brake.
Windward helm, pitch bow up, increases gust on Lee side of sails, boat giddy up like normal.* Very graceful. Momentum management purr fits because vessel is a displacement cruiser with a usable planing surface and excellent traction Lee side of keel due to continuous length of past rudder and point.

Hence if uncertain of next anchorage,* etc. Just a safe bet but slower than fast cruisers ( also a safe bet ) and vertical tapered edge keels (bet on weather being nice because a driven length keel will out perform them during heavy sessions.).

Long keel,* shallow draft too.

They all nice.
Long voyage means displacement because we eat. Displacement destroys shallow plane vessels abilities of agility and speed because a tapered edge grasps traction via flow and they only have a little length thus they drop deep to compensate rotation and much enjoy a different type of ballerina with needs to turn quick and race which is more than often lighter conditions.

Pleasure was mine.

I'm buying too. Hunting. Intentions a long keel front. Preferably to rudder, if modern fast cruiser that'd be good enough.

Unlike modern race boats that force buoyancy to keep mast up and power sails, I like mathematics.

Point Line shape time first 4 dimensions.
5, 6 energy mass.

High heel angle naturally tending vessel to large plane would love lifting sails to force system of thrust.
Ain't sure yet. Basically 150% of sail area and reaching sails due to square shapes of junk. That'd passage safe and easy. Reduction a single line.
But would be expensive to make and triangle sails have less upper weight at anchorage. Wouldn't be stable when she ain't dancing whereas ketch, sloop is and during dance they spill excessive power and are safe there too.

Lol all good.
https://youtu.be/bhSB8EEnCAM

This is wear , I heel my hurt.

Longer keels attract alot less maintenance on above deck systems. My opinion.

We loved their control. We used to deliberately broach with full sail including spinnaker through fishing boat fleets. Brake, accelerate on helms order via helms feel.
I don't know cruisers. She was petite, I've only known racing boats as skipper.

[Retirement home]

Originally Posted by PushingThePen

I sailed a few smaller agile sailboats. One was a Catalina race winner in fact. Very agile, but I had the ports underwater on many occasions when it was in that sweet spot. That's where it really opened up. Not really something I'd want when running long distance. Little more upright would be preferred.

Having tails is definitely a nice thing. When I started using them (came on a boat I bought) it helped to visualize the action of the wind across the sails much clearer. Vastly improved my little adjustments and general performance.

It's also when I started seeing the pockets of airflow that all too often we think is a good breeze, but is actually going to be challenging when tacking over. Often when you're on the fridge of the weather system or microclimate.

My friends liked Catalina yachts. A different agility than my preference. I think they're quick. I've never sailed on one.
I like slow boats like trucks are slow to cars. Build momentum and hold course.

Tradewind 35 popped up in my research. One of the 13 type boats approved to enter 2018 Golden Globe solo non-stop around world race. 2.2 metre headroom and fairly sizable volume for a 35 footer.

Sail balance is important. Lee flow works.

I noticed most our ship wrecks are near harbour yet far. Maybe lost during poor visibility and coves look like entrances. They're all equal yet all have good points and have to deal with points. Square rigs are lifting sails but like a truck they need to build momentum prior to pointing. This disables them from coastal mistakes because if they think their onroute to harbour and it is land they have to way of recovering from such and they wreck. Likewise, if a close call and they need to point they can't because they'll crack their yard, break back of mast and watch beauty fold. They need to be accelerated.once flow is established then they can open up throttle and point extremely well.
There's a picture on the net floating around somewhere of Christopher Columbus vessel. My history vague; Saint Marie?? She's pointing like a demon using a strong wind leading edge with a flexible luff square fore sail. Mainsail will feed from that thus important consideration should be bracing fore yard.
Underway, although boat heels, such sails counter heel and pop boat up. They all balance them aye. Other squares use jibs to list boat and provide point and forced torque on squares down the line.

I like idea of junk. I don't know if good idea. Old man appreciates triangle sails and well suited broaching nature to running a high angle heel but I'm abit addicted to true reaching. Simple taking time in tack and waiting until wind invites vessel up windward. They scream up wind which results in alot of traction below water line on minimal crew.
Many hulls, many sail designs. Simply a matter of enjoyment with different styles preferred by different legs.

[PushingThePen]

Originally Posted by AKA-None

The stern wasn’t slipping the boat was rounding up due to the set of the sails for the course being set
You can aliveate that usually by setting the sails for your heading and the wind direction
I wonder if by putting the ports under you mean the portlights in the cabin then I’m thinking you are not running optimally due to either too much sail up or possibly baggy sails. If I recall correctly many boats have a sweet spot of 15-25 degrees of heel
But then maybe I’m just blowing smoke out of my a$$

It was definitely the wrong sails for the boat. Friend swapped them and she ran great after that.

Windows... Underwater. Quick little runner.

[Retirement home]

Adams 13 ??

I like them yet never sailed one.

Essentially a fullkeeler. Yet has dagger boards for pointing ability. Rudder also extended to match dagger board.

She'd handle great. Lower volume, basically space of a 36 foot fatty but with displacement of 40 foot and low volume for performance agility and built as a displacement vessel.

Aft cockpit is exposed. That's my only dislike. Great for cruiser of most days but if intending to just hang around for bluewater wind then a pilot house would make more sense although vessel performance of other models wouldn't match that. I think most are tiller too. Didn't think; nice boat though. Built to cruise being displacement type and quite capable of fast passageway.

Should be reasonable on service costs, maintenance, etc being low volume and displacement. Might be some with wheels around??

[Retirement home]

Originally Posted by PushingThePen

I had a couple of sailboats that had the stern slipping all over the place. No stability at all. Felt like the stern was continually trying to come around on the bow. Not a fun feeling when you're wanting to grab a drink from down below.

Later came to realize that a big part of the issue was the type of sails that the prior owners has put on them. Weekenders that didn't understand the action that was transferred to the boat. They just thought a sail would move them. A bigger sail would move them faster. Nothing about where the wind comes off the sail and how that can stabilize the bow or stern in the water.

And the luff flapping was all too common with the wrong sail and misaligned rigging. Once I had a friend take a look, he showed me a couple of good sails for those boats and suddenly they stayed stable and were a lot easier to handle, with drastically less flapping. Smooth across the entire surface.

Still tons to learn.

I agree with AKAnone regarding something. Could always reduce, heel, etc..

Luff flapping makes me think lifting sail. You gotta be careful with these and accelerate them first. Then start pinching at point if coming to windward.

Alot of older boats were made when sailing was shipping. Displacement allowed storage and maintenance of performance, lifting sails allowed wind obedience and gifted better safety in the open.
But poor visibility and port entrances, channels to tack, etc favoured rigs such as gaff rigged schooners.
Alot of these opted for square sail top main. Thing with lifting sails is that they lift the heel. So like modern racing boats that force the counter heel with buoyancy to effectively increase drive of sail thrust, old cruisers know heel will naturally be forced and a lifting sail skyward is a big leverage that helps boat stabilise.

As a cruiser.. it's way cheaper on component failure and running costs to be happy with displacement speed. When she does heel and plane a lifting sail will be reaching and I don't have coordination of English literature to explain safety.
Just weird science I guess.
Some love loose luff sails. Some love fixed luff.
Some prefer tapered edge short keels deep to counter rotation, some prefer long traction flow like a catapilar track in the wet mountains.

Vikings used oars and dragon sails. Lol

[Retirement home]

https://youtu.be/Ft3EPJC-FtU

I watch YouTube vids like these at work. If with time, maybe enjoy.
Research Cape Horn. Lots of hints regarding sail. Was golden era of sail pre civil war and Panama canal.

Tall ships lean against the wind.
Wind of 100knots and waves of 60 feet were not uncommon.
Forestay sail would be removed.
Forestay sail would be raised again when wind was less.

Our sails are blown by wind like Forestay sail is. Forces vessel to heel.
Square sails are forcing vessel to be upright. Wind is exponential strength. Square sails don't need extra gift when wind strong. Opposite heel properties to modern racing boats.
Other bonus is pointing ability strengthens with strengthening wind.

Their lives were hard though. 1 man per journey lost wasnt an uncommon ...

They mention coastal schooners. Basically what we use. Benefits coastal but open wind. They blow over and spill wind instead.

Southern Australia we get 70knot 4 day blows. You want to know havens and entries if around bottom of Australia!!!
I don't know top or sides , nor bottom much neither.. long distance between of cliff and beaches.. must know harbours either sides just incase. Because our best weather offers no horsepower then we get ship hit the fan.

I look at waves. They don't move, they indicate energy. Up, down. Energy that can move 1000s of tonne of water per boat length at speed of swell is from an endless fetch ocean.
Cape horn our highest point and fiercest impact zone.

I like ketch too. Staysail sloop.
Junk a heavier wind alternative but with limits. Top heavy during non dance.

Email if adventure this way with months of notice if you want too.
My boat probably summer. I'm not a square sailor neither. Simply appreciate skills

[Retirement home]

My apologies for going on and on.

34'
Survival of storms at sea.
Solo across Pacific
Aud $35000 ($25k usd + tax)

Roberts have excellent reputation of blue water but you mentioned heel. They are heeling boats and cruise along walking on walls type.

Just things the way they are bro. Heeling allows wind spillage and low cost maintenance plus acceptance of lumpy seas but alot of cruisers opt for reading weather and running for cover instead to obtain flatter boats of guest tours and such. They'll heel like your Catalina but like you felt, she'll be on a highly buoyant thin plane and at her sweet spot. Less mistakes can be made without knowing about them. Yet they make comfortable knots whilst walkabout below.and above.
If you want comfortable knots on a heeler, you're laying into it.

All different. I'd ask particular questions about particular boats to sellers of such. Thank you again, I wouldn't have remembered to do so but
Sat here
Found a line
Typed to much again.

Like the old cruising days. Skipper was Skipper but he did knot care. We simply obeyed how much area we were allowed and believed him regarding balance. Chores depended upon were you sat. Whomever closest did the job. Any non urgent jobs ( out of cockpit) were said.

I love rudder stock angles like that! They giddy up when they want too. Just waiting same hoping slightly more displacement length.

Thanks again. Sometimes I'm ruder than father wind.

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by PushingThePen

Now we're talking! Thought it was an odd center cockpit, until I saw the inside layout! Very nice! Like the large aft cabin.

Thanks!

Seahawks are 'a bit big in the bum' for my taste and they are that way for a reason.
https://wiki.westerly-owners.co.uk/i..._their_sisters

Of the Westerlys I would suggest either a Conway or a Corsair
https://wiki.westerly-owners.co.uk/i...tle=Corsair_36
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...ir-36-8306900/

Large aft cabins while nice in port aren't much use at sea, apart from stowing sea stores in.
Wly Sealord aft cabin complete with 2 month's dry stores.

[Retirement home]

Hi op.
Hi readers in same boat looking for adventure upon reliability.
I hope I'm not rude. I'm a bit of a bullship artists sometimes too.

Picture of another 42 footer on market. I really like but don't want a coastal cruiser. At 2.2 tonne with a smile face keelson and heavy brace leverages she'd be beautiful.
Enough keelson to get home during weather although possibly wet. Enough volume to carry a months load of eat and drink for a 3-5 man crew. I just dreaming but surely cabin would bunk small number crew camping. Beyond my wants though.* I intend longevity voyages.

Knowledge and wisdom of leverages allows sail boats navigation.
If we started with a yardstick; pure performance.* We could brace head and allow redirection of winds thrust to become a vessels ability to start movements.

Looking below waterline, if you could imagine keelson being keel, we would visualize a full keel boat. Now by adding directional thrust from sail with traction we are navigating.
To encourage navigation,* we sliver a flap of aft keel. Rudder leverage forces navigation with mistakes we make with directional thrust of sail above. Now we are sailing above and below waterline.

Above water line again. We make new levers to advantage wind with. By fixing the luff of mainsail using mast we are initiating a spar with the wind. By fixing a point of luff with a headsail we are now able to distance the redirection of wind and point towards a true we will never hit (until invention of most modern sail to date, windmill and propeller. Idk. Just guessing)

Below waterline again, we straighten up Rudder stock and increase size of rudder.* Now a heavier brace on helm enabling more forceful speed.
Furthering.. we reduce keelson and create a set of tapered edges to create heavier bracing on helm and thus vessels of sheer speed.

Sheer speed is lovely. I prefer with coastal cruising.* But if mother nature gets angry,* will man or Gale be stronger??

I'm organising to look at a 'full keel' vessel bro. But honestly.* Looking at keelson indicates a vessel of much lesser displacement supported by stabilised brace known as a long keel.
This okay with me.
Ever looked at a F14 Tomcat?
With sails fore she is agile at low speeds but unable to brace them at high speeds.
With sails aft shaped like a dorsal fin, she is now high speed agility.
As mentioned above,* the 'full keel ' 'fast cruiser' I'm interested in is probably over weight from assembly.* Eg beyond natural displacement because of our wants as man. Eg we wanna be on water yet dry. Most cruisers are that. They build waterline of vessel higher and say that's her displacement ability yet such is now far from agility.
I think you have skills bro. That's why I'm looking at sloped stabilisers (modern name is keel). Allows much higher speed bursts that are braced with vessels structural integrity.* Tapered edges aren't as fast, they are simply more often faster yet heavy on maintenance being a much heavier brace.
If that's annoying.* 2 baa. Goto sheep.
Balance your preferences of leverages. They all equal just different.
Sweet looking vessel though aye.

I do knot know a tapered edge keel. Yes they can get fast. We sheered fore yard line that eyed point to true, we bent aft yard that directed total thrust and southerly blow dropped our dance with a simple thank you but your keel is up. Bobbing away with a dry keel in a blow that had scared all powerboats home. Although scarey is horsepower to create thrust to use a long keel at speed.. I doubt my ability will do that but they are an inherently much more agility ability at rate of knots than a set of tapered edges thus more suited to long single tack passages. Skegs just as clever; an in-between the 2.
You know you'll love whichever one you choose but that's why I would recommend sloped keels and some fullness to keelson for adventure.* Weather systems are movements of energies. Leading edges can take a beating Although our eyes will never see such . Being dry on high deck you know..
We know we like near nothing.
Yeah.. most is lie. Pick true points that suit you.

Bye bro..
Best luck. Understand your leverages. Sweet sailing

[SVFaith]

Good morning, pogo 12.50, Blue water, fast hull, made to be run short handed, simple systems. Plenty on the market.

[SVFaith]

Good morning, Pogo 12.50, Blue water, fast hull, made to be run short handed, simple systems. Super strong. Good interior. Definitely take you through the trying times. You may be able to find one with a swing keel. Tiller or twin wheels. All the benefits of a modern boat. Plenty on the market.

[edlepera]

Saw a 34 Morgan up in Massachusetts for sale 13K. It would be a good start