Blue Water Boats ........Again.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Don L

This just shows what you don't know! When sailing my boat I don't worry about anything for the most part because I don't need to to.

If you think think you are better off in your little bristol or whatever than in my 43' Hunter you must have taken too many boom hits to your head!

So, are you saying you are clueless?

Oops, looks like we are getting into the size argument.

I'm wondering what adjustments you would make in these conditions as far as mast rake, sail draft, downhaul, and sheeting are concerned to make your boat (oops your 43' boat) go faster.

I think you are misunderstanding sailing vs how you look at the dock.

I started racing catamarans with Hobie 16's, then to NACRA 6.0, then to a singlehanded F17 with high aspect ratio main, dagger boards, rudders and a spinnaker.

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Btw, I reefed her on the fly from the mast, it was nice up there I must say.

[sailorboy1]

gee ........................ I'm not impressed!

[Mimsy]

Found the list on another sire, c&p here-
"
8/30/09 Evans Starzinger has posted a list of boats on another forum which meet the criteria for inclusion here so I will add them below.
"The following boats are SSCA (full time cruising) and have sailed more that 5000nm offshore and are less than 40':

Norsea 27
Bristol Channel Cutter 28
Great Dane 28
Cascade 29
Cascade 29
Golden Gate 30
Cheoy Lee 31
Island Packet 31
Westerly 31
DeFever 32
Westsail 32
Prout 33
Skorpion 1000 33
Fantasia 35
Hallberg Rassy 35
Wauquiez Pretorien 35
Breckveldt 36
Catalina 36
Contest 36
Pearson 36
Vancouver 36
Duncanson 37
Flica 37
Pacific Seacraft 37
Prout Snowgoose 37
Tartan 37
Tayana 37
Ingrid Princess 38
Downeaster 38
Hunter Legend 38
Morgan 38
Rival 38
Shannon 38
C&C 39
Fairweather Mariner 39
Panda 39
Privilege 39

And 40-45':
Altenwerder 40
Angleman/Davies 40
Aventura 40
Joshua 40
Laurent Giles 40
Norseman 40
North America 40
Panda 40
Valiant 40
Cheoy Lee 41
CT-41 41
Custom 41
Hans Christian 41
Sceptre 41
Beneteau 42
Cat-Flotteur 42
Defiance 42
Discovery 42
Fairweather Seeker 42
Maple Leaf 42
Pearson 42
Perry 42
Slocum 42
Tatoosh 42
Tayana 42
Westsail 42
Whitby 42
Cape North 43
Hans Christian 43
Mason 43
Swan 43
Westsail 43
Antigua 44
Freedom 44
Hudson Sea Wolf 44
Hylas 44
Island Packet 44
Islander 44
LaFitte 44
Mason 44
Norseman 44
Peterson 44
Reliance 44
Seaton 44
Agulhas 45
Cantiere Navau 45"

Note that the only criteria here is bluewater miles and one may have other criteria in mind for a cruising boat. I suggest that Evans site, Beth and Evans Home Page is an excellent source for more in depth information and discussion."

[thomm225]

Hey Don, I'm not trying to impress you just trying to point out the differences in boats. I know Hunters are light and fast, but just because a boat is larger doesn't necessarily mean she will do better in a storm or offshore.

Example, these kids ages 18-25 survived the 1979 Fastnet Race on a rather small light weight Contessa 32. And even though they suffered several knockdowns, it didn't seem to bother them. It's an awesome story Don and I think you'd like it:

Fastnet 79 - The winner's story | Yachting World

[sailorboy1]

Still not impressed by another internet expert opinion based on reading some stories off the internet. The one thing that is common in all of them is that they all feel they know more about my boat than I do. But I didn't need a list to chose my boat, which I moved up to!

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Mimsy

Found the list on another sire, c&p here-
"
8/30/09 Evans Starzinger has posted a list of boats on another forum which meet the criteria for inclusion here so I will add them below.
"The following boats are SSCA (full time cruising) and have sailed more that 5000nm offshore and are less than 40':

Norsea 27
Bristol Channel Cutter 28
Great Dane 28
Cascade 29
Cascade 29
Golden Gate 30
Cheoy Lee 31
Island Packet 31
Westerly 31
DeFever 32
Westsail 32
Prout 33
Skorpion 1000 33
Fantasia 35
Hallberg Rassy 35
Wauquiez Pretorien 35
Breckveldt 36
Catalina 36
Contest 36
Pearson 36
Vancouver 36
Duncanson 37
Flica 37
Pacific Seacraft 37
Prout Snowgoose 37
Tartan 37
Tayana 37
Ingrid Princess 38
Downeaster 38
Hunter Legend 38
Morgan 38
Rival 38
Shannon 38
C&C 39
Fairweather Mariner 39
Panda 39
Privilege 39

And 40-45':
Altenwerder 40
Angleman/Davies 40
Aventura 40
Joshua 40
Laurent Giles 40
Norseman 40
North America 40
Panda 40
Valiant 40
Cheoy Lee 41
CT-41 41
Custom 41
Hans Christian 41
Sceptre 41
Beneteau 42
Cat-Flotteur 42
Defiance 42
Discovery 42
Fairweather Seeker 42
Maple Leaf 42
Pearson 42
Perry 42
Slocum 42
Tatoosh 42
Tayana 42
Westsail 42
Whitby 42
Cape North 43
Hans Christian 43
Mason 43
Swan 43
Westsail 43
Antigua 44
Freedom 44
Hudson Sea Wolf 44
Hylas 44
Island Packet 44
Islander 44
LaFitte 44
Mason 44
Norseman 44
Peterson 44
Reliance 44
Seaton 44
Agulhas 45
Cantiere Navau 45"

Note that the only criteria here is bluewater miles and one may have other criteria in mind for a cruising boat. I suggest that Evans site, Beth and Evans Home Page is an excellent source for more in depth information and discussion."

Looks like your boy forgot the Contessa 26 (2 circumnavs), the Contessa 32, rounded Cape Horn, and the Islander 36 which also circumnavigated. Is he talkin' wine and cheese cruising? (not mustard and biscuits,or hard tack and salt pork? ..............and don't forget the rum and beer for ballast)

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Don L

Still not impressed by another internet expert opinion based on reading some stories off the internet. The one thing that is common in all of them is that they all feel they know more about my boat than I do. But I didn't need a list to chose my boat, which I moved up to!

What? Ah.............actually it was the kid (25 years old or so at that time) that was sailing in the race that wrote the article. Maybe you should go argue with your Hunter friends at the dock while you wash your boats thinking about your next sailing adventure along the creek there.

[sailorboy1]

Maybe you should ask your internet and list followers.

The only time I've spent at a dock in the last 6 years is at the start of the season after boat launches. You need a better line that proves your expertise, not something you have read to say the facts are wrong.

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by thomm225

You are correct, I should have already known Hunters wouldn't be on there............

Good one. My post was poorly written. I wasn't offering my view but was summarizing a bunch of threads in the recent past on these questions.

Great post DM! Again, kind of a summary of these many GREAT discussions.

[Paul Elliott]

Gentlemen! You can't fight here, this is the War Room!

Bashing someone else's boat is never going to win friends or influence people. I think these lists are useful for discussion, but there will always be plenty of perfectly capable boats that don't make the list. And most boats have what it takes to take you where you want to go. It's only at the extremes of design, or conditions, where we might have problems.

Slocum's Spray wouldn't have made anybody's modern list, but he sure sailed the sh!t out of it! (and yes, it probably sank from under him, but any boat can spring a leak)

[thomm225]

okay, let's get back to it then. The full keel boats just don't seem to go away.......and with an experience sailor they seem to be able to take you anywhere you want to go even though you may have written a check for one out of your checking account. not a bad deal I'm thinking............

(btw, I'd quickly put a new 4 stroke outboard and a bracket on this one)

1972 JJ Taylor Contessa 26 sailboat for sale in New York

[Andrew B.]

Overlooked the S&S 34, and PSC 34 too.

Originally Posted by thomm225

Looks like your boy forgot the Contessa 26 (2 circumnavs), the Contessa 32, rounded Cape Horn, and the Islander 36 which also circumnavigated. Is he talkin' wine and cheese cruising? (not mustard and biscuits,or hard tack and salt pork? ..............and don't forget the rum and beer for ballast)

[boatman61]

Missed the Bobcat as well... Rosie Swale round the world via the Horn... with hubby and two young kids...
Or don't 'Cats' count...

[Snore]

While I am light on blue water miles, I have spent a fair amount of time looking at moving up from my T-33 to a more "blue water" boat. IMHO the PSC 34 with a wheel and the Shannon 38 share a common issue. To get around the wheel, you have to climb onto the seat. Or at least for a guy 6'4" 225, it ain't easy. I have come to realize if the boat has a wheel it MUST have a T shaped cockpit to allow room to move around the wheel.

Without easy cockpit movement, a single or short handed sailor is at greater risk.

The PSC 34 with a tiller, might be an option.

[sartorst]

Not saying a 27 wont do the job but ask me which boat I would rather be on 27- 41? 41!BUT ask me which boat I will most likely be on, 27,I hope the guy in the 41 invites me over for dinner when I enter the anchorage tired and wet . ask me what size boat I want to be on in really bad weather? a heavier 41, or 100+, but ask me what boat I will be on