Boarded with bad intentions?

[Mistymountain]

PS
Moot, not MUTE!! lol lol lol

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by Mistymountain

A modern USA liberal schooling product I assume? Or University graduate?

Huh? What kind of weird comment is that? I'm sure you've heard the phrase "when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me"... In this case that is what has happened.

[john61ct]

Aha a genuine QAnon follower in our midst

[Montanan]

Geez!

[Mistymountain]

Aint that great!

A real Father educating his son himself!! We need a hell of a lot more of that.

Thanks Montanan.

[Hardhead]

Many big talkers on the Internet like to think they are braver than other people.

They believe they "prove" this, by eagerly stating how quickly they would kill someone. Most all of these people have served honorably in the armed forces, most special forces, and have been in armed combat against highly trained enemy forces, all armed with automatic weapons. I'm sure that's the case with all the commentators here - so I won't question that fact.

I do question that the big talkers are braver than anyone else though. One could make the sensible argument that they need a concealed carry firearm because they live in constant deep fear of being physically assaulted. They would feel helpless, and in a panic, going through life without a gun to carry, while others would not. I don't personally feel threatened, so I don't generally ever carry a gun. I own guns, but don't carry them unless I'm going hunting or target shooting.

I'd be cautious assuming any commentator is braver than any other commenter. The way this thread is going recently - is why most people would rather talk guns on a gun forum, and not talk about them on a sailing forum.

There's a certain type of person that is always trying to prove how brave they are, and others don’t care. They are here to talk about sailing issues. They do all their gun talking on the gun forums, like me. Others just have to get it in, generally because they are brave I guess. It’s been a good thread.

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by Hardhead

Many big talkers on the Internet like to think they are braver than other people.

They believe they "prove" this, by eagerly stating how quickly they would kill someone. Most all of these people have served honorably in the armed forces, most special forces, and have been in armed combat against highly trained enemy forces, all armed with automatic weapons. I'm sure that's the case with all the commentators here - so I won't question that fact.

I do question that the big talkers are braver than anyone else though. One could make the sensible argument that they need a concealed carry firearm because they live in constant deep fear of being physically assaulted. They would feel helpless, and in a panic, going through life without a gun to carry, while others would not. I don't personally feel threatened, so I don't generally ever carry a gun. I own guns, but don't carry them unless I'm going hunting or target shooting.

I'd be cautious assuming any commentator is braver than any other commenter. The way this thread is going recently - is why most people would rather talk guns on a gun forum, and not talk about them on a sailing forum.

There's a certain type of person that is always trying to prove how brave they are, and others don’t care. They are here to talk about sailing issues. They do all their gun talking on the gun forums, like me. Others just have to get it in, generally because they are brave I guess. It’s been a good thread.

Brave?...how about desperate and fearful for the safety of your loved ones.

You don't have to be RAMBO or a martial arts/ weapons/ special forces superstar to be AFRAID of losing your family.

Harvey Milquetoast could or WOULD aim a weapon and fire if he had a mindset to do so....

Scenario....you hear somebody breaking into your house or boat...lets say boat because you can't call 911.

What are most guys gonna do? Cower under the sheets? Turn on the lights and say "who's there?" OR, grab a weapon and defend your family?

I think MOST would grab any weapon available and do whatever they think is necessary to protect their loved ones. Not out of bravery, but out of FEAR! Fear of losing their family.

I think most would chose to defend, even with deadly force. No internet bravado intended.

[Saleen411]

Watched a show last night about a boarding and murder in Thailand of all places.

Retired Brit couple was boarded by 3 teenagers who swam out to their yacht anchored off of Koh Dong.

The husband was ambushed and brutally bludgeoned with a hammer... Since he didn't die right away, they slit his throat for good measure and threw him overboard.

They then proceeded to bludgeon his wife, tie her up and hold her hostage for many hours...she was convinced she was going to die.

Fortunately she survived, they eventually captured the teenagers who confessed to the crimes and the family has to live and deal with the reality of this horrible tragedy forever.

I don't know about most of you. My ASS-UMPTION is that anybody boarding my yacht in the middle of the night is a CRIMINAL willing to murder. Deal with it as you must. Again, no internet bravado here.

[Smokeys Kitchen]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Geez!

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AWSOME! This is really it! Nice job Montanan.

For the record - we carry bear spray on board. Electrifying my lifelines sounds interesting though

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by Smokeys Kitchen

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AWSOME! This is really it! Nice job Montanan.

For the record - we carry bear spray on board. Electrifying my lifelines sounds interesting though

You did read that bear spray isn't nearly as effective as pepper spray, or better yet, pepper gel for humans.

Also, for some unknown reason, many STILL buy into the MYTH of using wasp spray as a deterrent!

FALSE FALSE and FALSE!!!!!!!...Look at the bluidy videos! FORGET wasp spray...doesn't work!

Not directed at you.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Saleen411

Brave?...how about desperate and fearful for the safety of your loved ones.

You don't have to be RAMBO or a martial arts/ weapons/ special forces superstar to be AFRAID of losing your family.

Harvey Milquetoast could or WOULD aim a weapon and fire if he had a mindset to do so....

Scenario....you hear somebody breaking into your house or boat...lets say boat because you can't call 911.

What are most guys gonna do? Cower under the sheets? Turn on the lights and say "who's there?" OR, grab a weapon and defend your family?

I think MOST would grab any weapon available and do whatever they think is necessary to protect their loved ones. Not out of bravery, but out of FEAR! Fear of losing their family.

I think most would chose to defend, even with deadly force. No internet bravado intended.

Ok, without wanting to seem mucho, I've stated before on this forum I've been boarded 3 times, the last ended up in a punch up.

Here's my concern with the gun thing, all 3 times the people involved were on my boat to steal ,not inflict violence, the last time I was the one that initiated the violence, it was unnecessary, a simple yell" get off my boat" would of sufficed.

Here's the thing in hindsight I didn't need to punch that person, I reacted violently to someone boarding my boat, particularly as it had happened already 4 nights again. He would have run if I gave him a chance. These people were there to steal, nothing more, what if I had a gun, what if I marched out with my gun? what if out of rage and fear I shot this young guy? there lays the problem with a gun onboard, a mistake can be made and that mistake has serious permanent consequences.

The reality is very few people are boarded by people with intentions of doing you physical harm, its VERY RARE. All you Rambo types really have little experience regarding cruising and boardings, your fear is driving your imaginations and testosterone. YOU DO NOT NEED A GUN, PERIOD.

I understand you fearing for your families safety BUT use common sense and I assure you that you will be fine, sure there's examples of bad stuff happening BUT bad stuff happens at home ie car accidents etc.

In regards to the OP, st Vincent has a charter base as you know, anchor where they suggest, people do this all the time, do not let your imagination run away with you, you will be fine ,I'm absolutely sure of this.

Bad **** can happen, fate plays a role ,it is very unlikely you will encounter such a experience as the one you fear.

I know of people that have had violent experiences while cruising, I actually knew a guy that had his head cut off , BUT BUT BUT ,as said before it's incredibly rare, INCREDIBLY RARE.

Enjoy your cruise and stop worrying, anchor in the populated spots and pull the dinghy up........enjoy.

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by Mistymountain

this is an American site I think

No, it very much caters to an international group of members.

And being nice is Rule #1 here.

Your POV is indeed unusual, and I completely agree would not be easily indoctrinated into populations where they have much better quality education systems for their common people.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Saleen411

Watched a show last night about a boarding and murder in Thailand of all places.

Retired Brit couple was boarded by 3 teenagers who swam out to their yacht anchored off of Koh Dong.

The husband was ambushed and brutally bludgeoned with a hammer... Since he didn't die right away, they slit his throat for good measure and threw him overboard.

They then proceeded to bludgeon his wife, tie her up and hold her hostage for many hours...she was convinced she was going to die.

Fortunately she survived, they eventually captured the teenagers who confessed to the crimes and the family has to live and deal with the reality of this horrible tragedy forever.

I don't know about most of you. My ASS-UMPTION is that anybody boarding my yacht in the middle of the night is a CRIMINAL willing to murder. Deal with it as you must. Again, no internet bravado here.

See here's where hysteria starts, I've cruised that area extensively, I've walked past the memorial plaque of that guy at Rebak marina many times.

Do you know how much cruising happens in that area? Lots!! everyday. That's one incident in how many years?

Btw, the guy that died introduced the hammer to the situation, the weapon that killed him.

Thailand and Malaysia isnt a dangerous cruising destination at all, that's one unfortunate incident. Bad stuff happens sometimes boat or no boat.

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Ok, without wanting to seem mucho, I've stated before on this forum I've been boarded 3 times, the last ended up in a punch up.

Here's my concern with the gun thing, all 3 times the people involved were on my boat to steal ,not inflict violence, the last time I was the one that initiated the violence, it was unnecessary, a simple yell" get off my boat" would of sufficed.

Here's the thing in hindsight I didn't need to punch that person, I reacted violently to someone boarding my boat, particularly as it had happened already 4 nights again. He would have run if I gave him a chance. These people were there to steal, nothing more, what if I had a gun, what if I marched out with my gun? what if out of rage and fear I shot this young guy? there lays the problem with a gun onboard, a mistake can be made and that mistake has serious permanent consequences.

The reality is very few people are boarded by people with intentions of doing you physical harm, its VERY RARE. All you Rambo types really have little experience regarding cruising and boardings, your fear is driving your imaginations and testosterone. YOU DO NOT NEED A GUN, PERIOD.

I understand you fearing for your families safety BUT use common sense and I assure you that you will be fine, sure there's examples of bad stuff happening BUT bad stuff happens at home ie car accidents etc.

In regards to the OP, st Vincent has a charter base as you know, anchor where they suggest, people do this all the time, do not let your imagination run away with you, you will be fine ,I'm absolutely sure of this.

Bad **** can happen, fate plays a role ,it is very unlikely you will encounter such a experience as the one you fear.

I know of people that have had violent experiences while cruising, I actually knew a guy that had his head cut off , BUT BUT BUT ,as said before it's incredibly rare, INCREDIBLY RARE.

Enjoy your cruise and stop worrying, anchor in the populated spots and pull the dinghy up........enjoy.

I appreciate and respect what you have to say. However, I never mentioned me carrying a GUN. That is a taboo subject for me. I've not mentioned nor will I ever mention what weapons I carry.

Obviously I do not believe in being completely HELPLESS in any cruising area where serious crimes have been committed. Fact seems to be that many if not most cruisers have taken at least SOME precautions to protect themselves....such as yourself, right? One doesn't necessarily have to be armed to be secure. For instance, you've reinforced your entrances to deter intruders. I think that's great...wise and responsible.

I'm curious...not to be combative or argumentative, but are you single handing?

Personally I would be A LOT less concerned about security if it were just me.

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by daletournier

See here's where hysteria starts, I've cruised that area extensively, I've walked past the memorial plaque of that guy at Rebak marina many times.

Do you know how much cruising happens in that area? Lots!! everyday. That's one incident in how many years?

Btw, the guy that died introduced the hammer to the situation, the weapon that killed him.

Thailand and Malaysia isnt a dangerous cruising destination at all, that's one unfortunate incident. Bad stuff happens sometimes boat or no boat.

No hysteria from me.....I was just relating what happened. As you say bad schist can happen.

I just came back from Thailand....Phuket and Koh Samui. I have been going for decades and I feel perfectly safe there.

However, that doesn't change the fact that bad stuff can happen ANYWHERE, just like recently in the San Blas.

As to the hammer, I will defer to what you say. However, my research did not indicate that the sailor introduced the hammer.... That it was what the kids grabbed to commit their heinous crimes.