Does anyone remember that arrogant kid who built his aluminum multi that was destroye

[sww914]

He was on here 4-5-6 years ago bragging and bragging about how he was going to win the Transpac or circumnavigate in the multi with a big X made of tubing and the thing broke up in no time and he had to be rescued like the 2nd day?

[senormechanico]

This one?

The Tin Can Blog - David Vann's Epic Journey Around the World

[sww914]

No, not that one, the one I'm talking about was a younger guy and there was a HUGE X made of 3" or 4" aluminum tubing and it broke up right at that big X.

[senormechanico]

Looks like the one you're describing...

[pcmm]

Looks like there are some fundamental design issues there. the Core of the X would have lots of twisting forces on it.

[Capn Jimbo]

Originally Posted by sww914

He was on here 4-5-6 years ago bragging and bragging about how he was going to win the Transpac or circumnavigate in the multi with a big X made of tubing and the thing broke up in no time and he had to be rescued like the 2nd day?

Forgive me, but arrogance is not limited to a creative and brave man who failed (Edison failed over 1000 times), and who some would be just as quick to call a genius and hero had he succeeded. It is far to easy for some of us to condescend, especially when most of us would not even attempt such an endeavor.

Less coffee, eh?

[CShawn]

“I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” - Thomas A. Edison

[Freemind]

Originally Posted by Capn Jimbo

Forgive me, but arrogance is not limited to a creative and brave man who failed (Edison failed over 1000 times), and who some would be just as quick to call a genius and hero had he succeeded. It is far to easy for some of us to condescend, especially when most of us would not even attempt such an endeavor.

Less coffee, eh?

All true of course, but excessive bragging or trash talking makes all the difference, IMHO.

[Tetra]

Read Vann's book: "A Mile Down: The True Story of a Disastrous Career at Sea". It will give you a feel for what he's about. I don't think he closely fits the model of the successful adventurer. But then, neither do I. The world if full of interesting people.

[Lizzy Belle]

I don't know or remember the man in question, but this topic ...
Not very classy, IMHO, no matter what may (not) have happened before.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Capn Jimbo

Forgive me, but arrogance is not limited to a creative and brave man who failed (Edison failed over 1000 times), and who some would be just as quick to call a genius and hero had he succeeded. It is far to easy for some of us to condescend, especially when most of us would not even attempt such an endeavor.

Less coffee, eh?

Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle

I don't know or remember the man in question, but this topic ...
Not very classy, IMHO, no matter what may (not) have happened before.

Well, Edison didn't go on an internet forum to ask for advice from experts and then completely and arrogantly ignore that advice, which (of course) contributed to the almost immediate failure of the boat. But neither of you were members of this forum then, were you? So maybe you shouldn't be chiding those who were.

[reed1v]

Evidently the kid did not have much engineering knowledge. His design focuses all the stress into one spot. Not a good idea. Need to keep the structural stresses spread out to provide the maximum absorption of forces on the hull. Basic engineering not that difficult to learn.

The traditional Marshall Island outriggers flexed all over the place. We sailed one from Ebeye to Kwaj. Double hulled. Each hull was working independently while the center platform was all wobbly like. Kind of like sailing a rubber band. It worked. The flexing absorbed what otherwise would have been a pounding sail to Kwaj.

[sww914]

I called him arrogant not because he tried to innovate. I called him arrogant because he was incredibly arrogant on this board and on Sailing Anarchy.
Arrogance exists independent of innovations. But like Fastbottoms said, you wouldn't know that because you weren't here. How quick you are to judge. How quick you are to judge. Maybe judge that thing in the mirror for a moment from time to time?

[senormechanico]

(sigh)

[sww914]

As a matter of fact, I was once a prolific contributor to this forum, I was on here every day for several years. I'm now out cruising and working as a marine mechanic. It seems that I could have a lot to offer. In just one thread I am reminded why I left. A couple of smug newbies, here all of 2 months, ready to jump down my throat over something that they had no experience with and no understanding of. I believe that the anonymity of this forum allows self important dweebs to flourish. I'm going back to the facebook forums where there are pictures of the posters and real names and where they're less likely to be outright asses hiding behind assumed identities.