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Old 29-03-2021, 00:36   #226
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Re: Grounded ‘Mega Ship’ Blocking Suez Canal in Both Directions

as I have no experience driving big ships I try to "scale down" from our last boat, a fin & spade Elan 410 to better be able to imagine (sic) what it might mean driving a behemoth through the Suez canal.
So:
remove keel (surprisingly scaling down the length I arrive at pretty much the displacement of the keel-less Elan)
reduce beam to 6'
cut rudder down to hull-draft
engine 2,5hp

& now we drive through a canal abt 2,5' deep & 28' or so wide
a nightmarish scenario...

"Either the ship CAN be safely driven or it CAN'T."
I wonder...
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EGYPT/SUEZ CANAL

Pilotage is compulsory for all vessels entering or leaving Egyptian ports and for vessels transiting the Suez Canal...
... Liability: Pursuant to the Egyptian Maritime Code No. 8 of 1990 (Art. 279) as well as rulings of the Supreme Court in Egypt, the responsibility for pilotage operation in port and in the Suez Canal lies entirely with the Master of the guided vessel, even in case of the pilots error...
Q: Should a pilot be in a similar position to a doctor; wherein a doctor is only an advisor, the patient can chose to accept or dismiss the doctor’s advice, but if the patient chooses to accept it, then the doctor is usually liable for any negative outcome [subject to standard of care]?
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Old 29-03-2021, 02:22   #229
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Q: Should a pilot be in a similar position to a doctor; wherein a doctor is only an advisor, the patient can chose to accept or dismiss the doctor’s advice, but if the patient chooses to accept it, then the doctor is usually liable for any negative outcome [subject to standard of care]?
I think the simple answer is no. A Master can't releave themselves of their responsibility and liability by listening to advice from a Pilot.
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Old 29-03-2021, 02:56   #231
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Leth Agencies Update (Egyptian Shipping Authority) https://lethagencies.com/news/89/100...-Latest-update
Updates - Suez Canal Grounding

On early morning 29/03, MV EVER GIVEN was partially refloated. Current projections of being fully refloated is positive (subject to confirmation). This comes after an impressive effort and coordination by Suez Canal Authority, which restarted operations around 0300 hrs (GMT+2). Efforts continues this morning with 10 tugs, including TUG ALP GUARD & TUG CARLO MAGNO from SMIT Salvage company.

A new attempt to fully release and refloat MV EVER GIVEN takes place from around 11:40 AM (GMT+2).

Expected tide conditions are favourable at this time, expected to reach 2 m. Live stream of the attempt is broadcasted via following link:



Please follow our Twitter account for updates and status: https://twitter.com/AgenciesLeth?s=20
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Old 29-03-2021, 04:00   #232
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40mph from EAST or WEST?

Sorry I didn't provide a link. The weather in Cairo shows wind up to 18 mph out of the N to NNE.
https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/eg/suez/HECA


I found the historical data for Suez somewhere and it said 23 mph but there have been reports of up to 40. I wonder if the wind accelerates in the canal when out of the north or south. Also interesting is there were forecasts for limited "horizontal" visibility because of the sand storm.
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Q: Should a pilot be in a similar position to a doctor; wherein a doctor is only an advisor, the patient can chose to accept or dismiss the doctor’s advice, but if the patient chooses to accept it, then the doctor is usually liable for any negative outcome [subject to standard of care]?
No...
In this analogy, the patient has far more medical training than the doctor, who only has more local knowledge about the Hospital and whose real job is to work in the best intrests of the Hospital
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Re: Grounded ‘Mega Ship’ Blocking Suez Canal in Both Directions

Breaking News:
1975: Egyptian president, Anwar Sadat, declares that he will reopen the Suez Canal on June 5, 1975.
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Breaking News:
1975: Egyptian president, Anwar Sadat, declares that he will reopen the Suez Canal on June 5, 1975.
Gord,

You crack me up!

What are they feeding you up there in Thunder Bay? Or did you just get your Covid needle (causing you to be zanily happy?...?

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Really cool video. Bernoulli’s principle is everywhere.
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They should have hire the Dutch immediately. It’s only now that Smit Salvage gets their assets in (the big guns) that progress is made.

It shocks me that anyone listens to politicians about this for updates.
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It shocks me that anyone listens to politicians about this for updates.
I know, right? (Although I do believe it's contextual.)

I watched part of the live press conference on Reuters yesterday and imagined that if we had a bunch of us fascinated CF Members hanging out together on one of our boats, we could have had quite an inebriating drinking game based on how many times the Translator referred to the Head of the Suez Canal Authority as "His Excellency"... all while His Excellency didn't say or convey very much of anything...
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Bernoulli’s principle is everywhere.
Bernoulli’s principle is everywhere!
Physics is everywhere!
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The ship is actually now underway. They have completed their "securing" operations.
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