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DotDun · 04-08-2017, 10:05

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Originally Posted by rwidman

Some folks access the Internet with a computer.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was asking about last mile, not the UI.

I believe Mike O'Reilly is cruising. He either uses cellular or Wi-Fi to get Internet access.

smj · 04-08-2017, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

Did you miss the entire second (most important part) part of my post #116? You left it out of my quote.

Good luck after you begin crossing international borders especially the US... you'll need it without a transmitter.

Personally, we prefer to be left alone.

Are you sure about this? Have you questioned the governments about the reason your left alone, or is this just speculation? Would be interesting to hear from some Canadian boaters that don't transmit AIS and see if they get daily boardings in the states.

Mike OReilly · 04-08-2017, 10:16

Yes, marina wifi right now. I have an iPad with data plan as well DotDun… I understand your point.

Ken, I’ve travelled the lengths of the Great Lakes, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, cutting across the US/Canadian border many times. Not once have I been accosted by authorities from either side.

I choose not to hand over more information than I must. It’s why I don’t have a NEXUS card. If the authorities want to enforce their laws, I have no problem complying. But I don’t have to give them more than required. This is how we loose our liberties; one drip at a time...

Folks, I know this makes some of you uncomfortable, and I know my info is collected in many different ways. This is just one way I (and others) can say no.

Kenomac · 04-08-2017, 10:17

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Originally Posted by smj

Are you sure about this? Have you questioned the governments about the reason your left alone, or is this just speculation? Would be interesting to hear from some Canadian boaters that don't transmit AIS and see if they get daily boardings in the states.

In the US with an American flag I was stopped and searched at gunpoint twice in Los Angeles Harbor, California. I didn't have an AIS transmitter at the time. The searches happened two days apart, and I'm sure the second one could have been avoided if I was transmitting.

We have yet to be searched in over five years of cruising European waters, and yes, the border authorities have commented to us about having seen us on their monitoring devices... which is definitely why we're being left alone.

People we know who don't transmit AIS and/or in some cases also refuse to put cruising stickers on their boat as instructed to do so.... get searched and questioned regularly. We transmit and place the stickers in plain view on the exterior of our boat per instructions.... we're left alone. Here in Croatia, I've watched many times as patrol boats stop, question and redirect boats that are anchored into immigration officials who've obviously failed to check in in a timely manner which is apparently just a couple of hours. I'm anchored right next to them... I'm left alone.

How else would you explain this?

smj · 04-08-2017, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

In the US with an American flag I was stopped and searched at gunpoint twice in Los Angeles Harbor, California. I didn't have an AIS transmitter at the time. The searches happened two days apart, and I'm sure the second one could have been avoided if I was transmitting.

We have yet to be searched in over five years of cruising European waters, and yes, the border authorities have commented to us about having seen us on their monitoring devices... which is definitely why we're being left alone.

In 25 years we have only been boarded by CG twice, never at gunpoint and never searched. Maybe you were doing something wrong![emoji38]
Note to self, don't cruise the Med.

DotDun · 04-08-2017, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Yes, marina wifi right now. I have an iPad with data plan as well DotDun… I understand your point.

Ken, I’ve travelled the lengths of the Great Lakes, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, cutting across the US/Canadian border many times. Not once have I been accosted by authorities from either side.

I choose not to hand over more information than I must. It’s why I don’t have a NEXUS card. If the authorities want to enforce their laws, I have no problem complying. But I don’t have to give them more than required. This is how we loose our liberties; one drip at a time...

Folks, I know this makes some of you uncomfortable, and I know my info is collected in many different ways. This is just one way I (and others) can say no.

I certainly respect your choices, I just wanted to make sure you understand (which it appears you do) that tracking a cell signal is only one step more work for the gov't than tracking an AIS transponder.

I don't worry about the gov't tracking me as any abuses there can be handled in court. My problem with AIS transmissions are the way companies are putting them on the Internet, i.e. Shipfinder, Vesselfinder, MarineTraffic, etc. IMO could fix this, but it seems they want Gov't to step in, hence nothing is being done to plug this gaping privacy breach.

Kenomac · 04-08-2017, 10:33

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Originally Posted by smj

In 25 years we have only been boarded by CG twice, never at gunpoint and never searched. Maybe you were doing something wrong![emoji38]
Note to self, don't cruise the Med.

That's just obnoxiously rude, and besides... the searches happened in the US if you re-read my post, not over here in the Med.

FYI: Are you aware of what drug and human smugglers look like? Just go look in the mirror. And if you wanna know what kind of boats they use.... just go down to the dock and look at your own boat.

And the authorities know this, it's no secret.. Just ask someone in the DHS department or your local police department if you don't believe me.

smj · 04-08-2017, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

That's just obnoxiously rude, and besides... the searches happened in the US if you re-read my post, not over here in the Med.

FYI: Are you aware of what drug and human smugglers look like? Just go look in the mirror. And if you wanna know what kind of boats they use.... just go down to the dock and look at your own boat. And the authorities know this, it's no secret.

Number one, notice the smiley face, a little humor.
Number two, I realize the searches were in San Diego, that's why I brought up our experiences with the US CG.
Number three, your last paragraph is hilarious as you don't know what I look like and obviously have no taste in boats.[emoji38](please not smiley face so you don't get your panties in a wad!)

Kenomac · 04-08-2017, 10:45

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Originally Posted by smj

Number one, notice the smiley face, a little humor.
Number two, I realize the searches were in San Diego, that's why I brought up our experiences with the US CG.
Number three, your last paragraph is hilarious as you don't know what I look like and obviously have no taste in boats.[emoji38](please not smiley face so you don't get your panties in a wad!)

My point is.... the smugglers look just like every one of us, not like those in the Hollyweird movies on high speed cigarette boats wearing expensive designer suits.

smj · 04-08-2017, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

Dude, you're using the wrong smiley thingy.

Is the one you should have used, not the laughing one.

My point is.... the smugglers look just like every one of us, not like those in the Hollyweird movies on high speed cigarette boats wearing expensive designer suits.

Sorry, not up on the emoji etiquette!

Kenomac · 04-08-2017, 10:48

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Originally Posted by smj

Sorry, not up on the emoji etiquette!

Neither am I.

Mike OReilly · 04-08-2017, 10:53

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Originally Posted by DotDun

I certainly respect your choices, I just wanted to make sure you understand (which it appears you do) that tracking a cell signal is only one step more work for the gov't than tracking an AIS transponder.

I don't worry about the gov't tracking me as any abuses there can be handled in court. My problem with AIS transmissions are the way companies are putting them on the Internet, i.e. Shipfinder, Vesselfinder, MarineTraffic, etc. IMO could fix this, but it seems they want Gov't to step in, hence nothing is being done to plug this gaping privacy breach.

Thanks DotDun. Yes, I understand my choice doesn’t do a lot, but it is more than nothing. And I am completely with you on which entities are more concerning… At least with governments we (the Citizens) theoretically have some way of pushing back. The commercial corporate data vacuumers concern me far more b/c we have very little recourse.