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Old 15-08-2020, 17:03   #136
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...

Nice video and a fine vessel.

I wonder though how are the bulkheads watertight if there are large doors in them?


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Since Talk Story was kind enough to breath a little life into this, until recently silent, thread, I thought I'd stir the hornet's nest a little by mentioning the ketch rig. We seem to have ignored this.

And to add a bit of fuel to the fire, here's a very nice FULL KEEL boat demonstrating an advantage of its hull, albeit in conditions not many are likely to encounter. Come to think of it, it's built in a manner unlike most boats. Five watertight bulkheads, with the thinnest being 3 inches (76.2mm) thick?!! Plot spoiler; for those who can't or don't have time to watch the video, the vessel survives.

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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...

They must be Hawkeyes.

At one point they show some bungs for the bulkheads. I didn’t quite get that.

I also don’t know how you deal with down flooding through the Charlie nobles for the diesel heaters. Must be a way.
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I also don’t know how you deal with down flooding through the Charlie nobles for the diesel heaters. Must be a way.
Don’t they have a cap on top that prevents flooding down below?
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Old 15-08-2020, 17:47   #139
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You got it except

- paper charts are still around and selling
-monohulls are very much alive and well out in the cruising world
I was just curios about what i posted to be subscribed to this thread originally so a repeat of post 10
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Old 15-08-2020, 18:29   #140
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They must be Hawkeyes.

At one point they show some bungs for the bulkheads. I didn’t quite get that.

I also don’t know how you deal with down flooding through the Charlie nobles for the diesel heaters. Must be a way.
Dang speil checker ... they must have GASKETS.!!
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Don’t they have a cap on top that prevents flooding down below?
Maybe, but then you have to take the top off and the exposed pipe and you can’t run the heater.

That’s one reason we have an Espar, can run it while sailing in foul weather.
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Old 15-08-2020, 18:33   #142
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...

back in the day.....getting 60,000 miles out of your vehicle was considered pretty darn good...these days, 60K miles is just broken in....

not today......cars routinely get 200,000 miles plus....and still keep going...I know some car owners that have turned 400,000 miles on their vehicle...

when is the last time you saw a car broken down besides the road ??...It's a rare sight....vehicles today are all built with longevity and reliability in mind....

A Tundra, especially, as well as all the other big trucks, those V8 engines are barely ticking over at highway speeds...a lot of other things are likely to give out before the engine does...
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I suppose square sails are out.
There was an article in a sailing magazine, possibly Good Old Boat, where a guy modified his sloop to carry a square rigged sail when running down wind. He loved it and claimed a number of advantages. If I can find the article I will post it.
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Wait now...isn't that the same yacht where the guy was claiming conditions were too rough for him to leave Minerva Reef??? Hmmm
You are correct, but I believe there was more to it than just the conditions outside. He was doing sail repairs, and possible other repairs. He listed the things he was working on in his blog. The Tonga patrol boat was contacted by their headquarters and told to give him an extra day or two to effect repairs. Then he left.
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There was an article in a sailing magazine, possibly Good Old Boat, where a guy modified his sloop to carry a square rigged sail when running down wind. He loved it and claimed a number of advantages. If I can find the article I will post it.

If it’s the same guy he is a poster here.. IIRC he has recently out the boat up for sale.

Maybe someone can remember his name.
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Nice video and a fine vessel.

I wonder though how are the bulkheads watertight if there are large doors in them?
I imagine in a manner similar to this!?
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Old 16-08-2020, 09:14   #147
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We have and use a sextant, just because we like math pretty much though.
Navigation isn't math, it's just arithmetic.


Math hasn't been about numbers since Galois.
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Navigation isn't math, it's just arithmetic.


Math hasn't been about numbers since Galois.
Arithmetic isn't math? When did that happen? Learn something new every day.
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...

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Navigation isn't math, it's just arithmetic.

Math hasn't been about numbers since Galois.
In fairness, trigonometry is math. Certainly spherical trig is. If you want to calculate satellite position from ephemerides that is math. Curve fitting for tides and currents is math.

Of course 1. most people don't do any of that as they have computers or look-up tables do it for them and 2. I'm nit-picking.

I strongly agree with you that what most people describe as math (usually while complaining) is only arithmetic. I make the same differentiation you do.

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Arithmetic is math. Per Meriam-Webster: the science of numbers and their operations (see operation sense 5), interrelations, combinations, generalizations, and abstractions and of space (see space entry 1 sense 7) configurations and their structure, measurement, transformations, and generalizations Algebra, arithmetic, calculus, geometry, and trigonometry are branches of mathematics.

It is a far less complicated field of math, but it is math. I understand what people are try to say though, which is that it is less complicated.
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