Inboard engines and a changing world

[Kalinka1]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Ah. Interesting.

The problem with the cantenary system be it one or two wires is if one wire is broken for whatever reason the system shuts down. Railways work because there aren't any trees falling down over the wires etc or other vehicles to contend with. Really can't see it working for a highway system.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Kalinka1

The problem with the cantenary system be it one or two wires is if one wire is broken for whatever reason the system shuts down. Railways work because there aren't any trees falling down over the wires etc or other vehicles to contend with. Really can't see it working for a highway system.

What? Trees are genetically incapable of growing near train tracks so they aren't a problem there?

Fine, run train tracks next to all the major freeways where you want to run a catenary for trucks.

Or just trim back the trees like they do for the trains. They trim trees back from power lines in the back country all the time, shouldn't be a problem along a major highway where access is so much easier.

If something disables the catenary for a section of highway, the trucks need to carry moderate sized batteries anyway so they just battery across the gap in service. There were going to be gaps anyway for on and off ramps, tunnels misc. things. And when the trucks leave major arterials they would need batteries there anyway. Thing is with a catenary charging is done while driving, no need to stop for recharging so long-haul truckers are only limited by mandatory rest periods and the need for food.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

What? Trees are genetically incapable of growing near train tracks so they aren't a problem there?

Fine, run train tracks next to all the major freeways where you want to run a catenary for trucks.

Or just trim back the trees like they do for the trains. They trim trees back from power lines in the back country all the time, shouldn't be a problem along a major highway where access is so much easier.

If something disables the catenary for a section of highway, the trucks need to carry moderate sized batteries anyway so they just battery across the gap in service. There were going to be gaps anyway for on and off ramps, tunnels misc. things. And when the trucks leave major arterials they would need batteries there anyway. Thing is with a catenary charging is done while driving, no need to stop for recharging so long-haul truckers are only limited by mandatory rest periods and the need for food.

Just one question .
Who is going to pay for all this rapid ( nothing is ever rapid when governments are involved)
Implementation of subsidized infrastructure?

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Just one question .
Who is going to pay for all this rapid ( nothing is ever rapid when governments are involved)
Implementation of subsidized infrastructure?

That's a good question. Who paid to build the interstate highway system? Who pays to maintain it? Who pays for research into better highway paving? Who pays to build port facilities? Who paid to build all the airports in the US? Who pays to maintain them.

Oh the questions are so difficult. Obviously it will never be built.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

That's a good question. Who paid to build the interstate highway system? Who pays to maintain it? Who pays for research into better highway paving? Who pays to build port facilities? Who paid to build all the airports in the US? Who pays to maintain them.

Oh the questions are so difficult. Obviously it will never be built.

1) who paid for the highway system to be built? The American taxpayers.
2) research into better paving materials? Private industry trying to save themselves money on installing.
3) who pays to maintain? The people that buy gasoline and diesel fuels ( fuel tax)
4) Port facilities? The taxpayers.
5) paid for airports? Taxpayers.
6) maintain them ? Taxpayers
BTW 80% of taxpayers will not use an airport that they are paying to maintain .

Eventually they will realise the taxpayer is out of money . Then what?

We must all actually look at all aspects and the future of same

[Adelie]

Major public infrastructure is built using a combination of public and private funds and maintenance and upgrades tends to be done with user fees except highways which are maintained by states which generally use gas taxes which is a form of user fee.

Airports are only directly used by a small percentage of residents but greatly benefit local economies.

Regardless, pay now to avoid a future problem or pay more in the future to mitigate the damage of that problem plus pay for the means to stop exacerbating the problem.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Major public infrastructure is built using a combination of public and private funds and maintenance and upgrades tends to be done with user fees except highways which are maintained by states which generally use gas taxes which is a form of user fee.

Airports are only directly used by a small percentage of residents but greatly benefit local economies.

Regardless, pay now to avoid a future problem or pay more in the future to mitigate the damage of that problem plus pay for the means to stop exacerbating the problem.

What problem ?

[Adelie]

Climate change, environmental damage and increasing cost from drilling for increasingly had to extract crude oil.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by newhaul

1) who paid for the highway system to be built? The American taxpayers.
2) research into better paving materials? Private industry trying to save themselves money on installing.
3) who pays to maintain? The people that buy gasoline and diesel fuels ( fuel tax)
4) Port facilities? The taxpayers.
5) paid for airports? Taxpayers.
6) maintain them ? Taxpayers
BTW 80% of taxpayers will not use an airport that they are paying to maintain .

Eventually they will realise the taxpayer is out of money . Then what?

We must all actually look at all aspects and the future of same

Indeed we 'must'.

Of course it helps to have a basic understanding of 'money'....

Saying 'they will realise the taxpayer is out of money', in this context, seems to belie that understanding.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Just one question .
Who is going to pay for all this rapid ( nothing is ever rapid when governments are involved)
Implementation of subsidized infrastructure?

You are!!!!

Ha ha ha.
I couldn’t help myself. It’s true though.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Chotu

You are!!!!

Ha ha ha.
I couldn’t help myself. It’s true though.

Well not me personally but yes we are paying for the folly

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Climate change, environmental damage and increasing cost from drilling for increasingly had to extract crude oil.

Climate change is not an issue that humans have any control over.( unless we really do something stupid) think snowpiercer movie. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna918826

You really should research the environmental damages from all of these " green energy " sources ( cradle to grave)
Oil is not hard to extract . ( technology has taken care of that one)
Not difficult
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1PW0LF

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/worl...000000980.html

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Well not me personally but yes we are paying for the folly

Yes, that what my little joke was about.

Taxpayers will have a good hand in this one.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

....nothing is ever rapid when governments are involved

-cough- covid vaccines -cough-

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

-cough- covid vaccines -cough-

Amazing what happens when they waste billions of tax dollars
BTW that was private company that had the genetic sequencing code before even starting afterall it is just a varient of the sars covid 03 so was not difficult to modify an already existing " vaccine"