Inboard engines and a changing world

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Pizzazz

The more interesting question is how to power commercial shipping.

On another forum a member allowed that the giant container ships should just drape flexible solar panels over the stacked-up containers to power the ship.
I'm not so sure he had a grasp of the power required to move a 100,000-ton, (or more,) ship.
I guess that during the night a bank of LiFePO4s would be used.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Baby tug

There is 300 years of oil At least 2000 years of coal in [the US] alone

Links?

[Baby tug]

Google it yourself we have the largest oil Reserves in the world now according to CNN fake news CNN ,I think I read recently there’s enough coal in Arkansas to supply the United States for 2000 years , we have the largest Coal reservesin the world as well if you guys don’t like me fine quit making up things ,By the way Arkansas has very little coal compared to the rest of the United States Wyoming being number one I’m pretty sure

[Baby tug]

The Green River formation is estimated to have 3 trillion barrels of Shale oil in it, in the last hundred years the world has used 1 trillion barrels you do the math , that’s just the green river formation , there is Easily 300 years of oil left in this country

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Idaho

The change to electric vehicles is a joke. They are powered by coal and natural gas.

When you see 300 new nuclear reactors being built as quickly as is possible, then electric vehicles (boats, cars, trucks, planes) will finally be sensible.

Until then, its a sick joke that is destroying the world's infrastructure.

I bet civilization will fall before those reactors are built.

Sir ,you nailed it! Thanks.

[geoleo]

I dont see a future for electric long haul heavy trucks - or airplanes. The batteries would be so large and heavy it would reduce the payload to zilch. And zilch pays no bills! For airplanes when the batteries become depleted they still weigh the same-with fossil fueled airplanes the longer they fly the lighter they become and the greater the range they can safely fly-- not so with any battery powered airplane--- they are just as heavy as when they took off way back there . Plus they will never produce thrust like a jet can so they all will be very slooow.. who wants to fly for 18+ hours to go coast to coast??? not me. Diesel and jet fuel have a great future.

[geoleo]

The big breakthrough highy touted recently by the Biden Adm about fusion is rather weird. They say they "bombarded a pea sized nuke material with 92 high powered lasers and got a continuing reaction producing more heat out by 0.01% that they put infor less than a .1 of a second timewise. What they didnt say was that the 92 lasers used lots of fossil fuel to make this happen. lolololololol

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Baby tug

The Green River formation is estimated to have 3 trillion barrels of Shale oil in it, in the last hundred years the world has used 1 trillion barrels you do the math , that’s just the green river formation , there is Easily 300 years of oil left in this country

The EIA indicates that for the whole US total recoverable proven and unproven reserves of crude oil and shale oil are about 568,500 MBbl. Daily us in the US is 19.69MBbl, let's call it 20 even.

568,500MBbl / 20MBbl/d = 28,425d = 77.8yr.

For the Green River area they indicate there is about 800MBbl or about 40d of use for the US.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/ass...pdf/oilgas.pdf

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by geoleo

I dont see a future for electric long haul heavy trucks - or airplanes. The batteries would be so large and heavy it would reduce the payload to zilch. And zilch pays no bills! For airplanes when the batteries become depleted they still weigh the same-with fossil fueled airplanes the longer they fly the lighter they become and the greater the range they can safely fly-- not so with any battery powered airplane--- they are just as heavy as when they took off way back there . Plus they will never produce thrust like a jet can so they all will be very slooow.. who wants to fly for 18+ hours to go coast to coast??? not me. Diesel and jet fuel have a great future.

I'm no Tesla fan but they've got a semi with a 500mi range pulling 80,000lb if I recall correctly.

Really what is going to happen is that they will standardize somewhere around a 200-300mi range and install overhead catenaries over freeways and many arterials. Trucks will use battery to get to and from major arterials and pull power off the catenary on major roadways. They are already working on this in Europe and I believe California is starting a pilot project.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

The EIA indicates that for the whole US total recoverable proven and unproven reserves of crude oil and shale oil are about 568,500 MBbl. Daily us in the US is 19.69MBbl, let's call it 20 even.

568,500MBbl / 20MBbl/d = 28,425d = 77.8yr.

For the Green River area they indicate there is about 800MBbl or about 40d of use for the US.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/ass...pdf/oilgas.pdf

Heard all this before all over the US then technology stepped in and changed all the estimates.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

I'm no Tesla fan but they've got a semi with a 500mi range pulling 80,000lb if I recall correctly.

Really what is going to happen is that they will standardize somewhere around a 200-300mi range and install overhead catenaries over freeways and many arterials. Trucks will use battery to get to and from major arterials and pull power off the catenary on major roadways. They are already working on this in Europe and I believe California is starting a pilot project.

Good luck with that the grid infrastructure can't handle it .

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Heard all this before all over the US then technology stepped in and changed all the estimates.

Technology and discovery will probably increase the estimates of what is recoverable. Claiming there is 3TBbl in a location that is currently estimated to have about 800MBbl is just repeating somebody's marketing puffery for their stock or bond offering.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Good luck with that the grid infrastructure can't handle it .

The current grid couldn't but if there is a demand, somebody will step up to accept the money to provide it. Just takes time, money and will.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Idaho

The change to electric vehicles is a joke. They are powered by coal and natural gas.

When you see 300 new nuclear reactors being built as quickly as is possible, then electric vehicles (boats, cars, trucks, planes) will finally be sensible.

Until then, its a sick joke that is destroying the world's infrastructure.

I bet civilization will fall before those reactors are built.

Some are charged by renewables. Regardless, the increased efficiency of central power production, even using coal, overcomes the inefficiencies of power transmission and battery charging and produce less emissions/pollutants compared to ICE on a per mile basis.

https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/ele...emissions.html

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Some are charged by renewables. Regardless, the increased efficiency of central power production, even using coal, overcomes the inefficiencies of power transmission and battery charging and produce less emissions/pollutants compared to ICE on a per mile basis.

https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/ele...emissions.html

Well not really