Lagoon 380 - Post-Charter Review

[sigmasailor]

Originally Posted by YourOldNemesis

<pedant mode>
.. we got pooped a lot ...
</pedant mode>

Forgive me for asking: what is the meaning of 'pooped' in nautical terms?

[cliffdykes]

Originally Posted by sigmasailor

Forgive me for asking: what is the meaning of 'pooped' in nautical terms?

It means to ship a wave over the stern.
From the days when ships had poop decks

Cheers
Cliff

[sigmasailor]

Originally Posted by cliffdykes

It means to ship a wave over the stern.
From the days when ships had poop decks

Cheers
Cliff

Sounds like having fun .....

[FSMike]

Originally Posted by cliffdykes

It means to ship a wave over the stern.
From the days when ships had poop decks.

Usually accompanied by cries of "Oh $#%?!".

[cliffdykes]

Originally Posted by FSMike

Usually accompanied by cries of "Oh $#%?!".

or "Oh p**p!"

Cliff

[YourOldNemesis]

that sounds about right

[YOGAO]

YON,

As long as we are letting this thread drift (or perhaps race headlong down 40' waves), can you describe how you were getting pooped?

Fair Winds,
Mike

[YourOldNemesis]

Begin:

1. Big green wall of wet stuff sneaks up behind you
2. Boat slows down in lee of wet stuff
3. Wet stuff picks up boat, boat goes faster as it surfs down wet stuff
4. Wet stuff going faster than boat, breaks over the boat, depositing itself in the cockpit, the rest of it going under the bridge and on, ahead of the bow
5. Go to 1

End

[imagine2frolic]

Originally Posted by YourOldNemesis

<pedant mode>
You knew that we were in 50kts with 40ft seas, that we didn't deploy any sea anchors or drogues, had only a tiny amount of jib out and that we got pooped a lot. Did you imagine we were doing anything other than running? In which case any course change would have meant going beam on to 40ft seas.
</pedant mode>

A wee bit of nit picking aren't you? Of course you are running, but changing course several degrees can make a big difference. Believe me I have seen 50mph+ wind, and miles from shore, but still there were no 40ftrs., and I was running with a scrap of a headsail.

I asked a question to clarify the situation. As I typed I wasn't there so I asked. If that gets your panties bunched up then maybe you need a thicker skin? You can surely have the last remark, because I don't dance with 2 left feet........i2f

[YourOldNemesis]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

A wee bit of nit picking aren't you?

Yes, that's what pedants do

Believe me I have seen 50mph+ wind, and miles from shore, but still there were no 40ftrs., and I was running with a scrap of a headsail.

I wasn't suggesting you hadn't. The seas are disproportional to the winds here, it's a well-known nasty bit of a circumnavigation because it's basically where all the sea gets piled up from the trade-winds right across the Atlantic and the sea-bed shoals towards the continental shelf.

If that gets your panties bunched up then maybe you need a thicker skin? You can surely have the last remark, because I don't dance with 2 left feet........i2f

I will gladly accept your kind offer of the last word. I am British and we don't wear panties. All the info you needed was contained in the preceding posts. Changing course a couple of degrees would have taken us further out to sea, but we'd only have got far enough out to sea to deploy drogues/sea anchors without worrying about the land after a few days by which time we'd have been in port anyway. Barranquilla being only about 70nm from Cartagena as any fule kno (see here: cartagena, colombia - Google Maps)

[ImaginaryNumber]

What should a newbie to trimarans know about their limitations in serious heavy weather?

Originally Posted by SailFastTri

The answer: TRIMARAN. Near-level, and the 5-10 degrees of heel gives you a good feel for how hard she's being pressed. When a gust hits a displacement mono she lays over, but hull speed is hull speed. A tri leans over just a little, and hardens-up against the thrust of the sail to turn that wind power into acceleration.

I sailed monohulls for 20+ years before I went over to prefer multihulls. Have chartered and test-sailed cruising cats,and owned a tri since 2001.... IMHO nothing sails better than a tri. Yes monos have advantages, so do tris and cats. If superb sailing is what you seek, go trimaran and you will be spoiled.

[yeloya]

[QUOTE=sigmasailor;433805]The manufacturer states in his manual to put the first reef in the main at 25 knots en the second at 30 knots. The foresail must be reduced in 35 knots as well.
The charter co advises to put the first reef in at 18 knots (apparent) and the second at 25 knots. Or visa versa, forgot this.



It is quite normal that the recommendations of the manufacturer and those of the charter co differ so much.. We recommend our customers as a charter co,
to stay in the port after 25 kn, if they are not keen sailors !!
Don't ever think that all charterers know how to sail. Particularly, the ones on catamarans either just open their genoa a bit or motoring the whole week. (we know who sailed, who didn't as we fiil up their tanks on their return )

Manufacturers are on the safe side for understandable reasons. Obviously, for yr own safety , the earlier you start reefing, the better is. If you want to test the limits or cannot reef for any reason, every boat behaves differently. The limits for Lagoon 38 and 55 ft are probably different, so are the limits for Athena and Orana or Belize. The weight of the boat and available sail area are determining factors. I believe heavier and relatively small sails can be reefed a bit later. Secondly (this is not necessarily what the manf'rers are recommending), when I have to put a reef on the main, I also reduce a bit the genoa. As an example, instead of sailing only on genoa, or main, I reduce both. I believe this is giving less strain to the rigging while the boat is sailing smoother.

My limits for Athena or Belize, 22-25 kn (apparent), get ready, 25-28 kn first reef, 35 kn 2. reef, 42-45 3.reef, no head sail..

For Orana, I can afford to go for 2-3 knts more than the above limits in every step..

Cheers

yeloya

[Bash]

Originally Posted by downunder

Bash,
Coming from a power boat background you have finally talked me into a cat. thanks

...that's a good thing. If cats get more people sailing (and fewer people motoring), I'm in favor of that.

[Ram]

[QUOTE=yeloya;434036]

Originally Posted by sigmasailor

The manufacturer states in his manual to put the first reef in the main at 25 knots en the second at 30 knots. The foresail must be reduced in 35 knots as well.
The charter co advises to put the first reef in at 18 knots (apparent) and the second at 25 knots. Or visa versa, forgot this.



It is quite normal that the recommendations of the manufacturer and those of the charter co differ so much.. We recommend our customers as a charter co,
to stay in the port after 25 kn, if they are not keen sailors !!
Don't ever think that all charterers know how to sail. Particularly, the ones on catamarans either just open their genoa a bit or motoring the whole week. (we know who sailed, who didn't as we fiil up their tanks on their return )

Manufacturers are on the safe side for understandable reasons. Obviously, for yr own safety , the earlier you start reefing, the better is. If you want to test the limits or cannot reef for any reason, every boat behaves differently. The limits for Lagoon 38 and 55 ft are probably different, so are the limits for Athena and Orana or Belize. The weight of the boat and available sail area are determining factors. I believe heavier and relatively small sails can be reefed a bit later. Secondly (this is not necessarily what the manf'rers are recommending), when I have to put a reef on the main, I also reduce a bit the genoa. As an example, instead of sailing only on genoa, or main, I reduce both. I believe this is giving less strain to the rigging while the boat is sailing smoother.

My limits for Athena or Belize, 22-25 kn (apparent), get ready, 25-28 kn first reef, 35 kn 2. reef, 42-45 3.reef, no head sail..

For Orana, I can afford to go for 2-3 knts more than the above limits in every step..

Cheers

yeloya

Seems like your pushing the limits here?

[yeloya]

Maybe.. But these are upper limits and in relatively quiter sea state.
Cheers

Yeloya