Nicholson 38 sunk on Baja Ha-Ha

[Amustad]

Originally Posted by CapnSlappy

Hi everyone, I am late to this conversation but I do want to clear up a few things I have read.

Good to hear from you, thanks. Are you the same guy who wrote out a statement on SA regarding Ray's boat that hit the wing dam and lost its engine? Suffering about $180,000 in damage and forcing the owner's cancellation of his cruising plans.

If so, you wrote an excellent story about that delivery. I'm still shaking my head.

[donradcliffe]

I cooked up a bowl of popcorn and read about half the Sailing Anarchy thread. There are about 3 or 4 posters who have dealt with Ray, and he is a true [redacted]. Cutting through a 0.1 mile wide passage to save a mile at Cape Flattery in 20 knots at sunset takes the cake. I am now not surprised that he lost a boat and heavily damaged another. I'm not sure of the details of his Motorboat to Hawaii caper, but it sounds like he was planning to take about half the fuel he needed.

The question remains, how do boaters protect themselves from the [redacted]?

[Don C L]

A better question is, how does he keep getting work? He must get some positive reviews from someone, somewhere, right?

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

The question remains, how do boaters protect themselves from the [redacted]?

Googling the person you are about to hire and carefully looking through the results. That was my mistake. There was an SA thread on my thief. Went into details about him stealing from others in the past, being wanted/not being able to return to the Bahamas, etc. I didn’t see it until AFTER he stole my money. This thread and the SA thread should protect people from this guy IF they Google his name before hiring him for deliveries

[Wotname]

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[CapnSlappy]

Originally Posted by Amustad

Good to hear from you, thanks. Are you the same guy who wrote out a statement on SA regarding Ray's boat that hit the wing dam and lost its engine? Suffering about $180,000 in damage and forcing the owner's cancellation of his cruising plans.

If so, you wrote an excellent story about that delivery. I'm still shaking my head.

Yes, that is me. I try to warn folks about him when I get the chance. Most of the locals in his home town that sail or are in the boating business know him and his reputation but there is no way for most people to know better.

[JPA Cate]

You know, what might really be a help here is to hear from people who do honest deliveries, how about a checklist of what the owner of the boat should look for? how to filter out [redacted] from the good folks? What should an innocent skipper do?

Ann

[wholybee]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

You know, what might really be a help here is to hear from people who do honest deliveries, how about a checklist of what the owner of the boat should look for? how to filter out [redacted] from the good folks? What should an innocent skipper do?

Ann

I'm not a delivery captain (yet), but I think the short list of what to ask for is an insurance certificate.

[BlueH2Obound]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

You know, what might really be a help here is to hear from people who do honest deliveries, how about a checklist of what the owner of the boat should look for? how to filter out [redacted] from the good folks? What should an innocent skipper do? Ann

And also it would be nice to get the other side of the story as well.
Anyone have PERSONAL experience with a delivery with Ray as the Captain that was a success story?

[boatman61]

Ships papers and minimum of Liability insurance are compulsory.. along with passports of all on board.
A Katadyn Survivor is also a good thing.
A decent mini multi toolkit and head torch plus a good knife.
25litre can of fuel, a 5metre length of fuel line hose and a bulb pump.

As for finding a decent skipper.. I only ever posted on here and got my clients from the membership.

How to wean the wheat from the chaff.???
If I recommend a skipper to someone coz I can't do it, I always ask the customer for feedback about the service given.
If negative once.. the skipper gets a second chance, but never a third.

If a deal for a skipper assist looks to good to be true, it probably is.
Delivery skippers don't work for fare and food alone.. at least this one don't.

I always figured if I sucked the CF'r customer would out me and work would dry up but.. I've had repeat custom so must be doing something right.
I also am pretty open and honest about my jobs.. hell for several years I used to post my SPOT here for folks to follow my progress.

[CapnSlappy]

Originally Posted by BlueH2Obound

And also it would be nice to get the other side of the story as well.
Anyone have PERSONAL experience with a delivery with Ray as the Captain that was a success story?

If you look at his social media account, you will find some folks who have had successful deliveries from him. Most of the people you will find that really like him and defend his actions have not hired him as a captain. Personally, I only know the boat owners and industry professionals who have negative things to say about him. Even the owners who have had what some may call a successful delivery, don't always have pleasant things to say about him. You will often find comments such as, "the boat made it here in one piece, but I question his judgement" or "he got us here but he made some bad decisions"

I have not hired him personally, I just fix boats for a living and he makes me a LOT of money.

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Ships papers and minimum of Liability insurance are compulsory.. along with passports of all on board.
A Katadyn Survivor is also a good thing.
A decent mini multi toolkit and head torch plus a good knife.
25litre can of fuel, a 5metre length of fuel line hose and a bulb pump.

As for finding a decent skipper.. I only ever posted on here and got my clients from the membership.

How to wean the wheat from the chaff.???
If I recommend a skipper to someone coz I can't do it, I always ask the customer for feedback about the service given.
If negative once.. the skipper gets a second chance, but never a third.

If a deal for a skipper assist looks to good to be true, it probably is.
Delivery skippers don't work for fare and food alone.. at least this one don't.

I always figured if I sucked the CF'r customer would out me and work would dry up but.. I've had repeat custom so must be doing something right.
I also am pretty open and honest about my jobs.. hell for several years I used to post my SPOT here for folks to follow my progress.

I like the list, could really help someone. Glad to see the suggestions coming in from many.

Also liked, "insurance certificate".

Thanks, everybody, keep 'em coming.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by CapnSlappy

If you look at his social media account, you will find some folks who have had successful deliveries from him.
Most of the people you will find that really like him and defend his actions have not hired him as a captain. Personally, I only know the boat owners and industry professionals who have negative things to say about him...

Even a stopped/broken clock is right, once or twice a day.*
Even someone/something unreliable, will sometimes still be right, even if, only by chance.

* It is interesting that this phrase is very old, and can be traced back to a British periodical called “The Spectator,” published by Richard Steel and Joseph Addison, where the phrase [discussing dress fashions] first appeared in 1711.
➥ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/09/02/stopped-clock/

[h20man]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

You know, what might really be a help here is to hear from people who do honest deliveries, how about a checklist of what the owner of the boat should look for? how to filter out [redacted] from the good folks? What should an innocent skipper do?

Ann

Ann, I would strongly suggest a pinned new thread on this topic.
Very important.

[h20man]

on the other forum a new account of another botched delivery, as well as firsthand account of day after accident and Mr. Ray McCormack's behaviour:



https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/th...9/post-8531343