Opinions of a open deck aft cabin sailboat.

[Manateeman]

One design you might want to look at is the Eddy and Duff Stonehorse. Very nice boat. Just not available as plans but has nice features.
We like Dix. Look over on boat designs.net and ask. Lots of new designers there.
The manatee crew.

[Ryan Steenkamp]

Originally Posted by Manateeman

One design you might want to look at is the Eddy and Duff Stonehorse. Very nice boat. Just not available as plans but has nice features.
We like Dix. Look over on boat designs.net and ask. Lots of new designers there.
The manatee crew.

Thanks for the help. Will check it out.

[MicHughV]

Back in the day, I got to know a guy re-building a Stone Horse. Probably spent the best of 3 years on it. The final product was gorgeous beyond belief. Museum quality. A sturdy little boat. Not sure you'll find it beyond the US shores though ??

[MicHughV]

Seeing as you live in South Africa, I'd advise a trip to the Vaal Dam, which has a plethora of smallish boats there. Many, if not all, are made locally, about 21-23' in size, some wood, but mostly fiberglass.
Roodeport Dam, near Pretoria, also hosts a large array of 21-23' sailboats, same as above.
I'm fairly certain, you can find something there to fit your budget and make a few sailing buddies while you are at it.

[deblen]

That design is similar to a Grand Banks or St.Pierre dory-one of the most (non decked) sea worthy boats ever designed.
A local saying about GB dories is"they can scare hell out of you but will still bring you home". They can be rigged for sail.
Google "St.Pierre dory" for ideas.
Here are some pics & a link. Happy building/sailing / Len


https://www.glen-l.com/designs/workb...ckypierre.html









https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=450611848927295

[MicHughV]

Not sure where you live in RSA, but beside the above recommendation, why not try the marina's at Richard's Bay, Durban, East London, Port Elizabeth (now called Cqeberha), Knysna, Simon's Town, Cape Town. They all sport a small sailboat collection.

[psk125]

Originally Posted by deblen

That design is similar to a Grand Banks or St.Pierre dory-one of the most (non decked) sea worthy boats ever designed.
A local saying about GB dories is"they can scare hell out of you but will still bring you home". They can be rigged for sail.
Google "St.Pierre dory" for ideas.

While the written description of the plans in the OP's first post does mention dories, please note how different the Grand Banks or St.Pierre dories are from the proposed plan. The dories have relatively narrow bottoms and are close to being double-ended. Though they are flat-bottomed, they have ample rocker (fore&aft curve) to help them cope with waves and handle easily. The topside planking has a good bit of sheer, which helps reduce windage, and flare to keep them dry. Their design and build has been shaped by more than a hundred years of practical experience in all conditions.
The plan proposes a boat made of wood, like a traditional dory, but that is about the only similarity. The plan boat's bottom is not narrow, rockered much, and almost double-ended. It resembles more of an iron: flat, wide, and triangular. The planking (plywood sheets) has little sheer curve, so there will be substantial windage, with the cabin structure aft simply adding to it. The designer admits to not knowing much about building boats and suggests butt-joining the sheets of plywood to make them long enough. This is not the best method for long-lasting, durable boat construction. The weighted keel suspended below the flat iron hull may help keep it upright, but the structure indicated in the plans to keep it attached may not be sufficient. (Note again the designer admitting his unfamiliarity with boats.) The originally suggested plan is more of a skiff design with a keel attachment that has nothing to do with a seaworthy vessel. South Africa dips down towards the Roaring 40's, with nothing between it and Antarctica to slow or divert storms that can roll up either the east or west coasts. A skiff with a makeshift cabin is not the kind of boat one would want to cruise on that coast.

[deblen]

Originally Posted by psk125

While the written description of the plans in the OP's first post does mention dories, please note how different the Grand Banks or St.Pierre dories are from the proposed plan. The dories have relatively narrow bottoms and are close to being double-ended. Though they are flat-bottomed, they have ample rocker (fore&aft curve) to help them cope with waves and handle easily. The topside planking has a good bit of sheer, which helps reduce windage, and flare to keep them dry. Their design and build has been shaped by more than a hundred years of practical experience in all conditions.
The plan proposes a boat made of wood, like a traditional dory, but that is about the only similarity. The plan boat's bottom is not narrow, rockered much, and almost double-ended. It resembles more of an iron: flat, wide, and triangular. The planking (plywood sheets) has little sheer curve, so there will be substantial windage, with the cabin structure aft simply adding to it. The designer admits to not knowing much about building boats and suggests butt-joining the sheets of plywood to make them long enough. This is not the best method for long-lasting, durable boat construction. The weighted keel suspended below the flat iron hull may help keep it upright, but the structure indicated in the plans to keep it attached may not be sufficient. (Note again the designer admitting his unfamiliarity with boats.) The originally suggested plan is more of a skiff design with a keel attachment that has nothing to do with a seaworthy vessel. South Africa dips down towards the Roaring 40's, with nothing between it and Antarctica to slow or divert storms that can roll up either the east or west coasts. A skiff with a makeshift cabin is not the kind of boat one would want to cruise on that coast.

Agreed-the GB or St.Pierre dory is a much superior & more seaworthy design than the OP's design. That is the main reason I suggested them,plus they can be built in plywood from available plans.The OP suggests he is not a shipwright,but is interested in trying to build something reasonably safe on his own. Cheers/Len

[deblen]

Example of simplicity of plywood dory hull construction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT8yoXdZwA8

[deblen]

https://doryshop.com/dories/

[Ryan Steenkamp]

Originally Posted by psk125

While the written description of the plans in the OP's first post does mention dories, please note how different the Grand Banks or St.Pierre dories are from the proposed plan. The dories have relatively narrow bottoms and are close to being double-ended. Though they are flat-bottomed, they have ample rocker (fore&aft curve) to help them cope with waves and handle easily. The topside planking has a good bit of sheer, which helps reduce windage, and flare to keep them dry. Their design and build has been shaped by more than a hundred years of practical experience in all conditions.
The plan proposes a boat made of wood, like a traditional dory, but that is about the only similarity. The plan boat's bottom is not narrow, rockered much, and almost double-ended. It resembles more of an iron: flat, wide, and triangular. The planking (plywood sheets) has little sheer curve, so there will be substantial windage, with the cabin structure aft simply adding to it. The designer admits to not knowing much about building boats and suggests butt-joining the sheets of plywood to make them long enough. This is not the best method for long-lasting, durable boat construction. The weighted keel suspended below the flat iron hull may help keep it upright, but the structure indicated in the plans to keep it attached may not be sufficient. (Note again the designer admitting his unfamiliarity with boats.) The originally suggested plan is more of a skiff design with a keel attachment that has nothing to do with a seaworthy vessel. South Africa dips down towards the Roaring 40's, with nothing between it and Antarctica to slow or divert storms that can roll up either the east or west coasts. A skiff with a makeshift cabin is not the kind of boat one would want to cruise on that coast.

Thanks for the help. What would be some characteristics to look for in a boat that would be suitable for SA waters?
Appreciate the help.

[boatman61]

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cornish-shrimper-19

In the size range your looking at though unlikely you'll find one in SA...
Maybe build yourself a Wharram Tiki 21 or 26.. very, very capable seaboats and easy stitch & glue building technique.
Easy for one or two to assemble/dissemble for trailering.
https://www.wharram.com/gallery/tiki-designs/tiki21

[smacksman]

Coastal cruising in South Africa where the ports are +- 2 days apart over some of the most dangerous seas on the planet and vicious lows spinning up from the roaring 40's demand a seaworthy yacht. So not SA coastal cruising in this girl.

[Leighpilot]

No, you’ll die in that anywhere on the SA coast.

But here’s another thing. And I mean this without any condemnation ( I built one of Dudley Dix’s first designs in Cape Town ) but if you’re choosing a plan because it’s free , to save money , you cannot afford to build a boat. It’s just that simple.

Here’s the deal. With the proliferation of glass fiber boats it’s no longer possible to build a boat cheaper than buying a second hand boat. Walk around the yacht clubs , marinas , boat yards and ask about boats that have been abandoned or might be for sale. You’ll be surprised what you can get. And moenie skaam voel. Offer a ridiculous price. You’ll find an owner who just wants it gone. In actually gave away my Dix Coquette and two months of work later the new owner was in the Bahamas. My life had changed to the point where I’d lose more in salary while fixing the boat ,than I’d get selling her. So I gave her away. There will be lots of free boats out there.

But do take a knowledgeable buddy with you. There’s a lot to know and the weather on the SA coast will kill you chop chop.

[GASF]

There is no way you can safely sail that boat offshore .
Which part are you intending to sail East or west coast ?