Orca attacks off Norway, moving 3,000 miles. Learnt behaviour?

[h20man]

OK. another incident but now moving to North Sea:

An orca repeatedly rammed a yacht in the North Sea off Shetland on Monday,

Dr Wim Rutten, a 72-year-old retired Dutch physicist and experienced yachtsperson, was sailing solo from Lerwick to Bergen in Norway. He was fishing for mackerel, with a single line off the back of the boat, when the orca suddenly appeared in the clear water, and hit the stern of the seven-ton boat.

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Most surprising is the fact that this learned behaviour should have appeared nearly 3,000 miles (4,800km) from Gibraltar. Dr Conor Ryan, a scientific adviser to the Hebridean Whale and Dolphin Trust, who has studied orca pods off the Scottish coast, said: “I’d be reluctant to say it cannot be learned from [the southern population]. It’s possible that this ‘fad’ is leapfrogging through the various pods/communities.”

English story here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-shetland-first-such-incident-northern-waters

[neilpride]

What I said in the other thread, if they start expanding their rudder breaking game everywhere , we have a problem.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by neilpride

What I said in the other thread, if they start expanding their rudder breaking game everywhere , we have a problem.

And I said the same thing. They can communicate over a great distances. They’re as smart as we are. They could even be smarter than we are. They don’t have thumbs so not as easy for them to fashion tools like us.

Hopefully somebody can figure out how to communicate with them soon so that we can see what’s going on.

[cupofjoe]

This is unfortunately going to end with Orca cullings. Most likely from nonwestern nations like Morocco that don't hold animal life in high regard.

[AA3JY]

Interesting use of sand as a defense..

“Bags of sand are now being carried aboard after hundreds of boats were damaged in the Strait and three sunk in the last three years, normally through headbutting the rudder to its destruction. Sand, when sprinkled in the water pre- or mid-attack, is said to confuse the cetacean sonar system and a few kilograms dropped overboard to create an “acoustic mirror effect”.”

[flightlead404]

Originally Posted by Chotu

They’re as smart as we are.

Do you have a source for supporting data for this assertion?

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by flightlead404

Do you have a source for supporting data for this assertion?

Common knowledge?

We are not that bright.

Their disadvantage is they don’t have thumbs or wood.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Common knowledge?

We are not that bright.

Their disadvantage is they don’t have thumbs or wood.

Adaptability is a key marker for intelligence, and we are the most adaptable species on the planet. Corvids and chimpanzees are next.

There is a pod on the brink of starvation because they cannot adapt to hunt new prey, and will only eat salmon. I think that speaks for itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ative-american

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

Adaptability is a key marker for intelligence, and we are the most adaptable species on the planet. Corvids and chimpanzees are next.

There is a pod on the brink of starvation because they cannot adapt to hunt new prey, and will only eat salmon. I think that speaks for itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ative-american

Why don’t we put you out in nature and see how you adapt to starving with a small source of food?

But ok. Okras are stupid you are brilliant. Got it.

[chubby]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

This is unfortunately going to end with Orca cullings. Most likely from nonwestern nations like Morocco that don't hold animal life in high regard.

it is said.


and unfortunately life is not always so linear.


i love animals..and my pets are family to me.


..but do hold a human life over a random orca.. and i hold any family member's life (including my pup pup) over a random human (sorry)


and i do not think it is necessary to cull an entire pod..
there is always a "watcher" when these attacks are happening (i believe an older female)


..if 1-2 of the offenders got "popped" here and there.. my guess is a new behavior would quickly be "learned" by others (keep your distance from humans...or die)

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Why don’t we put you out in nature and see how you adapt to starving with a small source of food?

But ok. Okras are stupid you are brilliant. Got it.

Whales and orcas are not magical beings that possesses ancient knowledge the way some people act like they are. They're extremely smart animals, but they're still just animals.

So yes, I hold the skills and ingenuity of humans especially indigenous cultures like the Inuit and Polynesians far above that of whales.

Isn't it funny how suggesting that humans are more intelligent than whales, which is such an obvious fact it shouldn't even need explaining, results in a personal attack?

I don't want to derail this thread anymore with a debate on the ethics of human vs animal intelligence so I'll leave it at this.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

Whales and orcas are not magical beings that possesses ancient knowledge the way some people act like they are. They're extremely smart animals, but they're still just animals.

So yes, I hold the skills and ingenuity of humans especially indigenous cultures like the Inuit and Polynesians far above that of whales.

Isn't it funny how suggesting that humans are more intelligent than whales, which is such an obvious fact it shouldn't even need explaining, results in a personal attack?

I don't want to derail this thread anymore with a debate on the ethics of human vs animal intelligence so I'll leave it at this.

Should the phrase not be.. Animal vs other animals, or can you just not bear the thought that you to are just another animal.
Orca evolve and adapt to their environment, learning how to knock seals off ice floes, catch seals on beaches without getting beached.. though that does occasionally happen when one times the wave action badly.. methinks Gladis (or whatever her name is) got rammed by a yacht while sleeping on the surface and got injured badly enough to bear a grudge and is extracting revenge.. simple as.. its also a human instinct re-enforced by various religious quotes... an eye for and eye.. if they right hand offend thee, cut it off..
Learn to live within nature like the Inuit and other ancient peoples or stick to the concrete canyons children.
If we were so much more intelligent than Orca, how come we've stuffed Nature and our future up so badly..
I would call that Gross Stupidity..

[Chotu]

Not intelligent?

Explain this:

https://twitter.com/alvinfoo/status/...0%2Fframe.html

[boatman61]

Cannot see it.. not a Twitter/Fakebook member.
CF is my only online vice..

[5BTM]

They seem to be leaving full keel rudders alone.

Probably a good time for a Contessa or an Alberg...