Pirate attack Phillipines ?

[chris in SG]

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate

Sorry you found my post inflammatory. I did not mean it so. It does seem to me that one should seek out an understanding of what motivates this particular variety of violence, and so I contributed what I have learned via some pretty uncomfortable reading, so I think I actually do have an idea of what the goals are. However, I do also understand that you are as free as I to disagree.

Simply agreeing that rape-murder, and kidnapping are reprehensible does not help anyone stay away from areas where such is to be expected. Just labeling them "reprehensible," almost makes it sound like "it could happen anywhere," whereas the fact is that the type of crime that is the focus of this thread is more likely to take place, nowadays, in areas populated by ultra-conservative activist Muslims. These places are known, and cruisers should warn each other of dangerous places to cruise, and in fact, usually do.

Calling them reprehensible is a moral judgment, but lacking the balance introduced by understanding some of the many factors driving the behavior. It is necessary to learn what the underpinnings of behavior is in order to truly understand it, and possibly modify it.

Religious fanaticism has some pretty ugly faces, and has, throughout history. Just my opinion, of course, but I think one should be aware of this, because while it is Muslim fanatics today,targeting Christians, Christians have been in the past, and in my lifetime, and may again be, the ones to fear, as well.

Ann

Well said..

[Ballenxj]

Originally Posted by meatservo

Here come the thought police, did not find it inflammatory at all...

Nor did I. They are indeed reprehensible! I tend to call them as I see em.

[alansmith]

Sun and Moon, I understand your statement in that you want people to be careful of labeling groups...and the ill taste it can leave...and the markings can be unfair.


Maybe you are very sensitive to the rhetoric of people bashing Muslims. I think I can fairly state that most cruisers on this forum are more opened minded about other groups of people on this planet than what you would typically find. In all of the posts that I have ever read from Jim or Ann Cate I have never heard one racial slur or unkind thought. In fact, they go way out of their way to be balanced.


Sun and Moon the Abu Sayyaf are a Muslim group of terrorists. Their spokesman is Abu Rami. Their stated goal is to establish an Islamic State within the borders of the Philippines. They broke away from the Moro National Liberation Front in the early '90's. They used to bomb everything they could in southern P.I. and Malaysia's Sabah state. After 9-11 the Americans helped P.I. go after this group with a vengeance. Abu Sayyaf changed tactics. They began to kidnap for ransom.


In the time period of March 2016-July 2016, per CNN, which gets its news from P.I. gov't...there have been 6 or 7 kidnappings at sea in southern P.I. They have killed numerous hostages when foreign gov't like America, Canada, and others have refused to pay.


With this background information provided on any news service perhaps we can get back to what Ann Cate had to say. Their spokesman Abu Rami, a Abu Sayyaf member, claims they are the ones who took the German hostage. The boat they were on is a monohull Ketch named Rockall. The body of the woman was identified by passport as Sabina Wetch. She had multiple bullet holes and her face was severly bruised.


Are these men Muslim terrorists? Yes, they are Muslim, and they use terror to extract large amounts of money from foreign gov't or families. Do they kill people if no one pays the ransom. Yes...and they just killed 2 foreigners recently that they had kidnapped whose gov't would not pay. Is that the modus operandi of a terrorist organization. Yes, it is. Did they kill the woman who was the sailing companion of the Mr. Kantner? Did they kidnap for ransom? No one knows, yet, why they killed her.


Everyone on this forum knows that southern P.I. is you are putting your life at risk to be there. The southern island of Mindanao is predominately Muslim. Abu Sayyaf is a Muslim terrorist group that uses ransom and the real threat of murder to extort money. If I remember correctly they cut the heads off the last two hostages. Wouldn't a bullet to the head be kinder?


All Ann said is correct. They are a Muslim terrorist group and they do terrible things to innocent people. If you want to attack a P.I. army outpost or supply train ....have at it...their soldiers have guns to. Sun and Moon, my mama used to say, "if the shoe fits, wear it." Abu Sayyaf is a Muslim terrorist group. Simple as that.


Ann called them Muslim terrorists. Did they identify themselves? Are they at war with the Philippine gov't? Unfortunately, sometimes labels are needed to identify groups of people. Do you remember the Palestinian group called Black September who captured a group of Israeli Olympic athletes during the Munich Olympic games 1972. They slaughtered 11 unarmed and innocent people all in the name of ideology. They were Muslim terrorist group. Did they strike terror into the hearts of people?

[Gone2long]

Would be good also to know what the colors represent.

Thanks,

G2L

[01kiwijohn]

Edjikate me. Where's PI?

[Gone2long]

The timing of the below may be suspicious, posted in the Philippines within hours of the report on the German abduction. However, let's hope its a good omen from the Prez.

Woman barangay chief nabbed over Abu kidnaps




By Roel Pareño7 November, 2016

ZAMBOANGA CITY – Government security forces arrested a female village chief tagged in the kidnapping of Canadians and a Norwegian during an operation in a village in Indanan town on Saturday, an official said yesterday.

Brig. Gen. Arnel dela Vega, Joint Task Force Sulu (JTFS) chief, identified the suspect as Fauzia Abdulla, barangay captain of Niyog Sangahan, Talipao town.

Dela Vega said the Sulu police and JTFS arrested Abdulla at 11:15 a.m. on the strength of a warrant issued by Judge Dax Gonzaga Xenos of the 11th Judicial Regional Branch 34 of Panabo City.

Abdulla was brought by arresting troops to the Sulu Provincial Police Office for the documentation and processing.

The case against Abdulla was in connection with the kidnapping of Canadians John Ridsdel and Robert Hall, Norwegian Kjartan Sekkingstad and Filipina Marites Flor from a resort on Samal Island on Sept. 21, 2015.
Police and military authorities said the Abu Sayyaf brought the four victims to Sulu and kept them there. The bandit group beheaded Ridsdel and Hall separately last April and June. Flor was released in June and Sekkingstad last September.

The police and military said Abdulla allegedly coddled Abu Sayyaf members by providing them sanctuary, an information network and food. She was also allegedly involved in managing the bandit group.
“The ASG’s information network, command and decision making will be severely affected with the arrest of a major figure in their leadership,” Dela Vega said.

“The arrest of Abdulla is a product of intensified cooperation between the people of Sulu and our soldiers and policemen in protecting local communities from the scourge of terrorism,” he added.

He also gave assurance that soldiers would continue to
conduct combat operations to crush the Abu Sayyaf and rescue the remaining hostages in Sulu.

– With Non Alquitran, Jaime Laude

[Gone2long]

Originally Posted by 01kiwijohn

Edjikate me. Where's PI?

Look out your window at the sunset, then sail that way for about 9,000 miles, give or take a few. Then, head south 'til you hit 15% North Latitude.

Or, use the proper abbreviation for the Philippines, which is PH, or PHL, according to ex-prez Aquino's Administrative order #5, and re-cast your question. Perhaps some well meaning Philippino will help you out with more precise directions.

Or, read a few lines more of the thread, and check the maps and descriptions posted therein. : )

G2L

[Bill Seal]

Philippines, the nation > English

Filipino, the person > Spanish

Duh !

[Steadman Uhlich]

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate

Sorry you found my post inflammatory. I did not mean it so. It does seem to me that one should seek out an understanding of what motivates this particular variety of violence, and so I contributed what I have learned via some pretty uncomfortable reading, so I think I actually do have an idea of what the goals are. However, I do also understand that you are as free as I to disagree.

Simply agreeing that rape-murder, and kidnapping are reprehensible does not help anyone stay away from areas where such is to be expected. Just labeling them "reprehensible," almost makes it sound like "it could happen anywhere," whereas the fact is that the type of crime that is the focus of this thread is more likely to take place, nowadays, in areas populated by ultra-conservative activist Muslims. These places are known, and cruisers should warn each other of dangerous places to cruise, and in fact, usually do.

Calling them reprehensible is a moral judgment, but lacking the balance introduced by understanding some of the many factors driving the behavior. It is necessary to learn what the underpinnings of behavior is in order to truly understand it, and possibly modify it.

Religious fanaticism has some pretty ugly faces, and has, throughout history. Just my opinion, of course, but I think one should be aware of this, because while it is Muslim fanatics today, targeting Christians, Christians have been in the past, and in my lifetime, and may again be, the ones to fear, as well. At any rate, understanding how deeply we are despised by some part of the Muslim world and how vulnerable we are to its violence can help to motivate us to stay away from places dangerous to us.

Ann

Well said!

I don't care what religion a Pirate, bandits, or hostile boater claims to follow. If they intend to do me or my crew harm, they are a potential threat, and it is a risk to be in their area alone and unprotected or at all.

[Gone2long]

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate

I understand the indignation, but most other animals don't ever rape (rats are one exception). The Muslim terrorists -- as I understand it, think they're doing God's work, their goal is like the Inquisitions, to make the world safe for those who agree with them.

Disgusting behavior, and pleasure in degrading people is a uniquely human failing.

Ann

Hi Ann,

You are not exactly off base here. The Abu Sayyaf have been influenced by the Wahabi branch of Islam, which is the same faith held by the folks who bombed the World Trade Center.

Though Wahabism originated in Egypt, it is effectively the national religion of Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is the country most responsible for its spread globally. It is a severely repressive form of Islam, which outlaws dancing, singing, and movie theaters and disallows women to walk unescorted in public. It prescribes stoning or executions by the sword for "crimes" such as adultery and blasphemy, while whippings, mutilations, and dismemberment can be meted out as punishments for relatively minor crimes such as theft and the use of prohibited substances.

The Abu Sayyaf first encountered Wahabism when they were recruited by influential Saudis like bin Laden and the Pakistani intelligence services (backed by CIA funding) to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. After the war, they, like so many others, brought the "war against the infidels" home to their native lands.

In fact, the group of Saudis and Pakistanis who initiated the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 had been living in Manila in the early l990s where they planned the trade center bombing and other terrorist acts. During that time, they were in close contact with the AS group, and they shared with them their ideology, tactics, and funding courtesy of Mr. bin Laden himself.

Many influential Philippinos (including the new president) as well as historians of these events believe that the ASG have been operating in the Philippines with the covert knowledge of various, mid-to-high level Philippine authorities from whom they have received protection in exchange for serving as informants regarding the activities of the two, large, armed separate groups (the MNLF and the MILF) who have been fighting the PHL government, on and off for the last 30 years or so.

Fortunately ,a new president known for his detestation of corruption and crime and a cease fire now in effect between Islamic rebel groups and the government, seems to leave open the possibility of a more robust government response against the ASG. Indeed, as noted in one of my earlier posts, police actions on the very day of the German abduction seem to indicate a possible shift by the Duterte administration toward actively confronting the ASG.

If interested in the details, check the following link:

https://web.facebook.com/notes/joel-p-garduce/abu-sayyaf-and-the-cia-in-the-philippines-by-nafeez-mosaddeq-ahmed/10150535188307259/?_rdr

Take care,

G2L

[Gone2long]

Originally Posted by Bill Seal

Philippines, the nation > English

Filipino, the person > Spanish

Duh !

I stand corrected. Jeeze, guess I spent too much time worrying about my estimate of the number of miles ... : )

G2L

[cjsfsm]

Here is a link to the story: http://www.noonsite.com/Countries/Ph...-resort-marina

[StuM]

Originally Posted by 01kiwijohn

Edjikate me. Where's PI?

PI: Tagalog to English: Dictionary Online

The abbreviation P.I. used to stand for “Philippine Islands.” This was the favored term for the country among American soldiers and civilians living in the Philippines in the 1980’s and earlier.


These days, when Filipinos say PI, they mean putang ina, a curse word.

[a64pilot]

Now if you were a Marine, PI has an entirely different connation

[Steadman Uhlich]

UPDATE:

I am bringing this up because several people have mentioned Mindanao and Davao and Islamist Terrorism.

In September 2016 there was a bomb explosion in the Roxas Street Night Market in Davao (Mindanao), a very popular street market with about 5,000 - 10,000 people on the crowded street each night. It is a very popular place for tourists to visit and eat. . I posted a thread about this then, that includes photos I took of the market which will show you how crowded the place can be, a prime target for a terrorist action.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...-a-172066.html

While not attributed to Pirates, it was determined to be the work of a terrorist group.

Today I received a short note from a friend in Davao. I asked him for an update on that incident, as I have not seen anything since it was initially reported.
Here is what he sent me:

It was a bomb planted by a new terrorist group called dawla islamiya fi Cotabato- Maute Group.

15 people died. 70 were injured. A total of 7 were arrested so far.